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DosEquisX
Joined: 09 Dec 2010
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I know that mine are not altered.
Two days ago, a student complained to me that he only got an 85.
No joke. |
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Guerciotti
Joined: 13 Feb 2009
Posts: 842
Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Last year a student complained about her 92% for two weeks, arguing about certain questions she answered incorrectly. I chalked it up to a driven achiever accustomed to high grades. Most folks would be quite happy with a 92.
Yeah, Igor, your reply to Babala was rude. Seems whenever you start with "With all due respect ..." you actually mean disrespect. Please try to avoid criticizing, with no basis, the efficacy and grading of other posters. How the hell do you know? We're supposed to be on the same team here.
Sorry watching too much football thus the team reference.
OK, your turn, first and ten! |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
Posts: 630
Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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In my professional opinion.......... |
Are you truly a professional? Are you certified to teach in any English speaking country? After seeing many of your posts, I am more than a little doubtful.
...and before you start crying about "addressing the post and not the poster" remember you are the one who brought this into the conversation. |
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Miles Smiles
Joined: 07 Jun 2010
Posts: 1294
Location: Heebee Jeebee
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Gtomas wrote: |
| Anyone have any tips or tricks to force students to get the grades we assign? |
Tell the department that you can't change grades unless you grade on a curve, and if you grade on a curve, then ALL of the teachers should grade on a curve, and that is the case, ask what the curve is.
Or do what I did. I told the department that I wasn't smart enough to assess students by any means except the approved test. Someone who is much smarter than I and who knows the students better than I should change the grades.
It won't force anyone to do anything, but it'll get the problem off your shoulders. |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010
Posts: 1473
Location: asia
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Babala wrote: |
| igorG, I thought your last post was rude. You automatically make the assumption that I simply care nothing about my students and their progress and that snide little comment about the "fine business courses" was not necessary. I have never fabricated any reports to any HR nor have I ever passed a student who didn't deserve it. The whole point to my post was to say that in my case, the grades do matter. |
I appologize to have made the poster feel insulted; however, I do not see my response to
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Babala
I have a different situation as I teach corporate but there are still grades that go to the company's HR. In many cases, the students have to pay upfront for the course and if they pass then the company will pay for the course but if they fail, then they don't receive anything. I think it's a good way as it really makes the students put the effort in. |
as vulgar as suggested. Perhaps, i'd accept unpleasant and I still hope we'll settle for that.
Now, my take on the last quote is that there are placement tests, business courses, and the end of course evaluation of business clientele (students) that may or may not continue with the program of the school. Further more, I understand that the clientele's HR will or will not continue business with the school, should the students fail in the process of placement tests, business courses or the end of course evaluation.
Finally, the whole point of the post, in my view, lies in the company's cooperation with the school which is based on the results of business courses. But again i agree that many such students put the effort in.
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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Location: asia
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Guerciotti wrote: |
| Yeah, Igor, your reply to Babala was rude. |
Yeah, perhaps as unpleasant as this poster's reply to me. |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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Location: asia
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Opiate wrote: |
| igorG wrote: |
In my professional opinion.......... |
Are you truly a professional? Are you certified to teach in any English speaking country? After seeing many of your posts, I am more than a little doubtful.
...and before you start crying about "addressing the post and not the poster" remember you are the one who brought this into the conversation. |
The conversation is with another poster. And, i truly have a professional opinion on the topic unlike some other pros around. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
Posts: 3325
Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Babala wrote: |
| igorG, I thought your last post was rude. You automatically make the assumption that I simply care nothing about my students and their progress and that snide little comment about the "fine business courses" was not necessary. I have never fabricated any reports to any HR nor have I ever passed a student who didn't deserve it. The whole point to my post was to say that in my case, the grades do matter. |
I appologize to have made the poster feel insulted; however, I do not see my response to
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Babala
I have a different situation as I teach corporate but there are still grades that go to the company's HR. In many cases, the students have to pay upfront for the course and if they pass then the company will pay for the course but if they fail, then they don't receive anything. I think it's a good way as it really makes the students put the effort in. |
as vulgar as suggested. Perhaps, i'd accept unpleasant and I still hope we'll settle for that.
Now, my take on the last quote is that there are placement tests, business courses, and the end of course evaluation of business clientele (students) that may or may not continue with the program of the school. Further more, I understand that the clientele's HR will or will not continue business with the school, should the students fail in the process of placement tests, business courses or the end of course evaluation.
Finally, the whole point of the post, in my view, lies in the company's cooperation with the school which is based on the results of business courses. But again i agree that many such students put the effort in. |
igor, dude, you really should take an engrish reading comprehension
course. babala's post could not have been more clearer on. his
situation is different, as he teaches bidness folks, rather than uni
students. his students must pay for their courses up-front, and will
be recompensated if they pass. no pass = no refund on.
babala agreed with this method on, because there fore the students
have a really incentive to very study hard. it be pretty obvious to a
native english speaker on.
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With all due respect, i am wondering whether the poster would pass the students to keep them in the next level Market Leader intermediate class. If so, i'd love to see the progress the poster's students will have made on the end of all the fine business courses. Perhaps, the progress report to the HR is more positive than the reality.
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do you even realize on what your quote means in real english? |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| igorG wrote: |
| Opiate wrote: |
| igorG wrote: |
In my professional opinion.......... |
Are you truly a professional? Are you certified to teach in any English speaking country? After seeing many of your posts, I am more than a little doubtful.
...and before you start crying about "addressing the post and not the poster" remember you are the one who brought this into the conversation. |
The conversation is with another poster. And, i truly have a professional opinion on the topic unlike some other pros around. |
If you did not want others to comment on your posts, perhaps you should have sent a PM instead.
Please explain to me how your opinion is that of a professional. Simply stating your opinion is that of a professional has absolutely no meaning. This is especially true when your posts are often incomprehensible. |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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Location: asia
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Dear forum,
I have been addressing the topics, and posters' replies rather than the posters, even though i have been charged by some as "rude". Choudoufu post pretty well underscores the participation and debates of some characters.
Having read the posts well enough, i have not even insinuated that Babala's post was about univesity students. Further more, i have made it adequately evident what the poster/his school and students may have to cope with.
So, isn't it about the cooperation of schools and companies when it comes to business courses? Isn't it about placement testing, administering of the courses and the evaluation of students or "bidness folks"? Isn't the evaluation of students, "bidness folks", that offers further opportunities for schools and their teachers to continue on with the courses?
Let's not be purposely obtuse or uncivilized, and let's follow the topics and posts rather than posters, shall we? |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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So...that was a whole lot of words to simply say you can not back up your claim. By the way, questioning absurd statements is a part of debate.
I knew it would be only a matter of time before you started in about the 'address the post and not the poster' but I am addressing your post. You however are refusing to support your claim of being a professional. |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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Location: asia
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Opiate wrote: |
| igorG wrote: |
| Opiate wrote: |
| igorG wrote: |
In my professional opinion.......... |
Are you truly a professional? Are you certified to teach in any English speaking country? After seeing many of your posts, I am more than a little doubtful.
...and before you start crying about "addressing the post and not the poster" remember you are the one who brought this into the conversation. |
The conversation is with another poster. And, i truly have a professional opinion on the topic unlike some other pros around. |
If you did not want others to comment on your posts, perhaps you should have sent a PM instead.
Please explain to me how your opinion is that of a professional. Simply stating your opinion is that of a professional has absolutely no meaning. This is especially true when your posts are often incomprehensible. |
Pretty "incomprehensible" when we look at the topic and the forums regulations.  |
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Opiate
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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Location: Qingdao
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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You posted something in your ....'professional opinion'.
I am questioning the use of 'professional' in that statement. I am addressing your post. Keep dodging the question though.
Anyway, I am finished with this. The answer is quite clear I believe. |
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igorG
Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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Location: asia
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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I am sorry to read you are "finished with this".
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| The answer is quite clear I believe. |
Comprehensively and undeniably crystal clear i think.
So, what am i "dodging"  Oh, the "professional question" I'd like to think that we both are professionals 
Now, back to the questions about business courses on mainland China and how they are advertised, introduced to companies and how they are carried out in either companies or schools.
Let's have a look at how the "bidness folks" are evaluated and how the evaluation reflects further continuance of courses with the schools and teachers, shall we? |
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Lobster
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
Posts: 2040
Location: Somewhere under the Sea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:42 am Post subject: |
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For my business courses usually no marks are assigned. At the end of the program, I submit a report that summarizes the topics taught and comments about the progress of the trainees. I have done a couple of courses where the trainees can get reimbursement for a high score, but only one or two. Generally, I give all trainees who attended over 90% of the classes and made a good effort a score sufficient to recoup their costs. Again, I'd say only 1-2 of over 50 business courses I've taught fall into this category. I think if the managers notice an improvement in the workers' English, they're happy. If they renew the training contract, my boss is happy. If the students make progress and attend regularly, I'm happy.
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