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nellychess
Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 187 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks to everyone for all the help and ideas. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Nellychess, I have just come across this video, and I thought it might have some relevance to this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFHRxGNTs5c
I was especially impressed by the distinction that the presenter makes between what he terms 'advanced foundation' and 'transitional method'. As he says, "bad habits set in quickly and can be extremely frustrating down the road". This is a sentiment shared round the world by many a teacher-trainer in EFL. Worth bearing in mind, perhaps. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:26 am Post subject: |
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As it's unethical to post video including students and I'm not a front-and-center teacher, it won't happen with me. Lots of video of my work exists, but it's for inside the institution only due to confidentiality issues.
But I agree that my classes can be quite merry  |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Oh, students and I often have a laugh or two as well.  |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Well, Robbie, I'll show you my footage, if you show us yours. I doubt that mine would cause you any merriment, as all you'd see is learner-centred lessons, with learners...learning. Though some of my class members have a wicked sense of humour. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Oh dear. Yet another 'best teacher that my boss/school/class has ever seen' type. But no video evidence to show us, despite mocking requests from Spiral and me to do so. Pity, that.
As for being 'all that hot', I have never made any claims beyond being properly trained and competent in an EFL classroom, with or without Russian learners. Russians, however tend to chew up and spit out teachers who have nothing more than brash front but no substance to their claims to greatness. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, yeah. Many of us here have taught Chinese students too, in many different learning contexts. The teaching in video up for critique here doesn't become any better even after taking into account the less than ideal circumstances.
Not interested in contacting any of your former referees, but thanks for the kind offer. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| What you or Spiral think is basically moot as you don't face the same challenges as the person in the OP's video. |
Classes of up to 100 are not unheard-of in my context either. In fact, I regularly observe other teachers working with very large classes. I've never observed a performance anywhere near as awful as the one in the video, thankfully.
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spiral78

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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not lecture, nor is it pure ESL. There are other methods besides CLT that actively engage adult learners, which can work well in very large classes. |
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Mr. Kalgukshi Mod Team


Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 6613 Location: Need to know basis only.
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Future personal attacks will result in permanent exit orders. |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 13 Jun 2013 Posts: 133
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Robbie is no longer with us.  |
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Xie Lin

Joined: 21 Oct 2011 Posts: 731
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'd also like to say on a slightly off-topic line of thought that some threads (probably including this one) drag on a bit longer than is actually productive . . . This seems to happen when members of the community argue, either with each other or with the OP.
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Truer words, etc.
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wonderingjoesmith
Joined: 19 Aug 2012 Posts: 910 Location: Guangzhou
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Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:53 am Post subject: |
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Nellychess, all quips aside, I'm sorry if you felt my suggestions were not useful. This is still a discussion forum for teachers, so we do occasionally blurt out what we are really thinking, and not necessarily a softened version.
You don't sit around and talk about the weather in teacher training, you spend months (or years, for some of us) learning about these issues, reading about them, coming up with solutions, and dealing with them in student teaching environment. So, my most useful suggestion is that you really should take teacher training before becoming a teacher. I know many people don't want to do that, but in the end, this video is an example of what happens when people think that speaking English is good enough to teach English.
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In a nutshell, this is the state of the industry since it began to form. This is especially the case with those fools that they've been bringing into Saudi Arabia over the past few years on shady visas because they own unrelated degrees.
"How DARE you find fault with me just because you have a linguistics degree! I'll have you know that I have an 'A-Pass' in Monkey Management!"
As long as charlatans, like the poser in the video continue to spread their ineptitude, TESL/TEFL/TESOL/App.Ling. will never receive the respect that its serious purveyors deserve.
THERE! I said it!
Nellychess: From your profile..."Occupation: Tennis Instructor"
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Selling another language to people, who aren't able to learn it, around the world is in a way like selling drivers licenses. One thing is that students learn to use the new language as a communication tool, another thing is that they use it to get their undergrad or postgrad degrees in, to the students, foreign countries. I can learn many languages to travel to, to me, new countries, but I surely cannot master, say for example, Chinese to be adequate for a mainland uni. Of course, this is me who lacks the talent.
Teachers that are put in classrooms with limited capabilities students have to reach far beyond the books, academic programs, or standards. Otherwise, there will be too many unsuccessful learners by the end of the courses which may translate to losses at the educational institutions. |
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