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currentaffairs
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| Actually, your official/legal employment start date goes into effect the day you land in Saudi Arabia and physically sign the contract in the employer's office. That's pretty much for all new-hire situations---direct hire or with a contracting company. Any previously signed employment agreement is more for visa purposes and initiating your hiring process. Therefore, it's not realistic to expect to get reimbursed for back wages before having your visa in hand and being in country. |
That is understandable if you are talking a week or something. If you sign a contract in the middle of August and don't get out there until November it is a big problem.. and just shabby organisation.
Also, the decent companies actually do pay your wages from when you first signed your contract. This time around with another company I got six weeks back pay because of the inevitable hold up. It just isn't the norm, as you say.. |
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CANDLES
Joined: 01 Nov 2011
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Location: Wandering aimlessly.....
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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CA.....lucky you for getting 'backpay!
1st time I heard that.....usually it's the day when the contract is signed in the office then the money starts to 'roll' in.  |
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lcanupp1964
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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If any teacher goes into a conversation with university/school staff and tries to use a "fight the system" and/or a "it’s not the point, it’s the principle" kind of approach, you might last 2 months before you either quit, or they fire you. There's the right way, the wrong way, and the Saudi way. Who do you think is going to win. You?  Like Daffy Duck once said, "It is to laugh". Take the money and say, "yes sir, thank you sir", or don't come over. Pride is expensive. Maybe there are other parts of this messed-up world that you can try saving. (LOL)  |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Location: The real world
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| currentaffairs wrote: |
That is understandable if you are talking a week or something. If you sign a contract in the middle of August and don't get out there until November it is a big problem.. and just shabby organisation.
Also, the decent companies actually do pay your wages from when you first signed your contract. This time around with another company I got six weeks back pay because of the inevitable hold up. It just isn't the norm, as you say.. |
No, the situation you just described is not the norm based on the scant info you've provided. So... What about those soon-to-be employees who sign their contract and then take their sweet time gathering their documentation and completing the medical requirements for their visa? According to your explanation, they too should receive compensation for that period of time relative to when the contract was signed and only because they have a signed contract but no visa. Who's at fault in this scenario?
The only situation that would likely warrant some amount of back pay is if you had your 90-day employment visa in hand, yet the employer grossly delayed your travel to the Kingdom due to some egregious error on their part. And frankly, those teachers signing on with EdEx and similar sketchy companies usually get transported to the Kingdom quickly so that they can get to work making money for the company's coffers. |
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rollingk
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| NS is right, most companies won't pay, even those usually considered good ones. But perhaps Currentaffairs is right also in that it certainly isn't really a very good company that would drag it's feet for months while a future employee goes uncompensated. This happened to me, and believe me, I had all my ducks in a row, but I was misled and actually believed the time frame provided to me when I gave notice to my old job. Sometimes employers sincerely believe they can get you into the country earlier. There's a lot of wishful thinking around, cause there sure ain't much clarity, and also, the bar is pretty low, no doubt about that. |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Dear rollingk,
"I had all my ducks in a row, but I was misled and actually believed the time frame provided to me when I gave notice to my old job."
But didn't they say "inshallah" when they gave you the faulty info? 
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lcanupp1964
Joined: 12 Dec 2009
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You can get hired by a very bad company/school/university, but your contact person appears to be a good worker because he/she answers a few of your emails, so you think it's a good place to work for.
You can also have a bad experience with a contact person and feel that the place is not going to be a good experience and it turns out to be a great company/school/university to work for.
You just never know until you get over here. |
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