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Negativity about teaching in Japan?
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rxk22



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck with the Unis. That seems like a Victorian Era like glass ceiling to break into. I guess it all depends on who you know.

Ever look into jobs outside of teaching? I saw some that looked tempting, and that I could do. They pay about what I make now.

Then again, I'd rather be an ALT, with tons of time off, and moonlight to make up the difference. Rather than be a grunt in some office
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teacheratlarge



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The full time tenure jobs are slim on the ground. Often you need a PhD and experience as well as decent Japanese skills. Many offers are contract term full time, which do include some benefits, but near the end of every contract you must scramble to find another job at a new Uni. I work part-time myself at a few places with benefits that include: more vacation time (about 4.5 months a year), few meetings, no proctoring other exams, no campus tours, etc. I miss some of the bonuses, such as an office, and lower health care premiums, and higher summer and winter bonuses( I get some, but not much to write about).

I suppose if you graduated from a name value school with a Master's and have a good contact at the school, you might still 'luck into a tenured job. But generally you will need both Japanese speaking/listening and reading skills to deal with office memos and endless meetings.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a few who got tenure with Japanese worse than mine.
Either you get lucky or you are liked.
Or you publish a lot.

Research trumps teaching ability in Japan.
Sad but true.

For tenure mostly you need 1kyu in Japanese but maybe 2kyu is enough.
15 publications or more should suffice.

Part-time university work is worse these days. Getting enough koma takes time.
Many schools just give two classes.

I will go back to high school teaching since I got tired of "research".
But I will try to get more stuff published.
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nicenicegaijin



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
I know a few who got tenure with Japanese worse than mine.
Either you get lucky or you are liked.
Or you publish a lot.

Research trumps teaching ability in Japan.
Sad but true.

For tenure mostly you need 1kyu in Japanese but maybe 2kyu is enough.
15 publications or more should suffice.

Part-time university work is worse these days. Getting enough koma takes time.
Many schools just give two classes.

I will go back to high school teaching since I got tired of "research".
But I will try to get more stuff published.


I don't understand why you think it is sad that research trumps teaching. That is how universities have always been. Universities are about research, the teaching is the thing we must do to get paid to research. It kind of irks me when MAs go around complaining about these kind of things because they do not understand what universities are about at the fundamental level.
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water rat



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicenicegaijin wrote:
mitsui wrote:
I know a few who got tenure with Japanese worse than mine.
Either you get lucky or you are liked.
Or you publish a lot.

Research trumps teaching ability in Japan.
Sad but true.

For tenure mostly you need 1kyu in Japanese but maybe 2kyu is enough.
15 publications or more should suffice.

Part-time university work is worse these days. Getting enough koma takes time.
Many schools just give two classes.

I will go back to high school teaching since I got tired of "research".
But I will try to get more stuff published.


I don't understand why you think it is sad that research trumps teaching. That is how universities have always been. Universities are about research, the teaching is the thing we must do to get paid to research. It kind of irks me when MAs go around complaining about these kind of things because they do not understand what universities are about at the fundamental level.
You're right, but how much research, development and publication is still needed for teaching English in Japan? The nation only needs so many (read: not too many) textbooks, tapes, videos, et cetera on English language instruction. I suppose that's where the beef lies.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I wish it was more like the US where both have priority although this happens more at colleges.

Too much research is garbage but gets published.
Teachers are forced to do this.
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nicenicegaijin



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes this is true as well. Does an MA really need 3 publications to teach part-time at a university? No, that is just stupid.
But as a full timer, I do believe you should have a good publication record, and you should focus more on your research than teaching.
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Maitoshi



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicenicegaijin wrote:
Yes this is true as well. Does an MA really need 3 publications to teach part-time at a university? No, that is just stupid.
But as a full timer, I do believe you should have a good publication record, and you should focus more on your research than teaching.


Striking a balance between the two would be ideal, but research needs to take a bit more priority if you are at all concerned about your career track.
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Maitoshi



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While a lot of research is complete drivel, some can be quite useful for the classroom.
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rtm



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

water rat wrote:
You're right, but how much research, development and publication is still needed for teaching English in Japan?

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I agree with nicenicegaijin a bit here. Water rat, you're right that no amount of research experience or publications is necessary for teaching English at a Japanese university. On the other hand, in a US or UK university, no amount of research experience or publications is necessary for teaching intro Spanish, Psychology 101, or World History, either. That's because the mission of most universities goes beyond teaching, and includes doing research that adds to our collective knowledge about the world.

The problem in Japan is that universities require those who are not prepared to do independent research (i.e., MA TESOL holders whose program didn't require independent research or substantial coursework on research methods) to do research anyway. Instead of hiring such people as professors (i.e., position split between research and teaching), Japanese universities should hire them as instructors (i.e., with an increased teaching load, and less research).
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nicenicegaijin



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean I can't believe I am going to agree with nicenicegajin, have I done or said something wrong? I don't get it.
Let me get back on topic. I totally agree that would be the best step. Have two tracks one for the MAs teaching 10 koma or so and calling them instructors and the other for PhDs with 6 koma and research and eliminating research budgets for the instructors. The PhDs should be paid more, but not drastically different maybe 1 mil difference. Both full time instructors and MAs could be on committees and do service. I have tried to implement this at my university, but have been shot down a few times.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard of a school where teachers could stay longer than five years,
but that would mean teachers could file a suit with the university.

No Japanese got a full-time job this April at this place.

I think the university would limit teachers to 6 or 7 years with no tenure, but that goes against the law.
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