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babur
Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 178 Location: Dammam, Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:46 am Post subject: Colleges of SR999 handouts |
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| all expect a fully-functioning teacher. |
you`ve got to kidding
it`s all about pleasing the ahmeds & abdullahs in your audience = edutainment
they'll take just about ANYBDOY |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| That said, I prefer to spend the minimum amount of time doing my job. I much prefer timetables with 14 contact hours than 25. I'm coming to Saudi Arabia largely because it requires me to work only about 35 weeks per year as opposed to the 50 I'd be working at a hogwan in S. Korea. I guess that could paint me as lazy or unprofessional, but personally I think that working the minimum and being a good teacher are seemingly conflicted ideas that actually can be reconciled. I'll be emphatic: My goal is to spend the minimum amount of my time at work, while still doing the best I can there. I'm comfortable with however that may look. |
Doing the minimum is in the context of quality (the amount of effort put in) and not about the minutes or hours spent completing a function of your job. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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It's not necessarily the hours and minutes put in - what I see as important is if, at the end of the day, you feel that you did the job to the best of your ability.
Regards,
John |
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Sheik Yerbuti
Joined: 02 Dec 2012 Posts: 105 Location: the promised land
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Bank 250 large? Been there done that. It does feel good to see the numbers increase in the old bank. I made almost the
same as I have here when I was in Korea...almost. But you
live like a real person in Korea. You don't have fat allowances. There are ladies walking down the street, everywhere.
You don't need permission to go to Hong Kong or Cebu. In 1995 you couldn't make less than 5 grand a month in Seoul. Here in Saudi, just
like in Korea a decade ago, the bloom is off the rose. You won't save much
working that job for 11,500 SAR. The jobs that pay more here usually, not
always, come with more crap and higher hoops to jump. And I am not
just referring to quals. A friend of mine will be outlining his experience
related to that here on this board as soon as he clears customs. |
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gregory999

Joined: 29 Jul 2015 Posts: 372 Location: 999
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| johnslat wrote: |
It's not necessarily the hours and minutes put in - what I see as important is if, at the end of the day, you feel that you did the job to the best of your ability.
Regards,
John |
Yeah, but how do you measure that with regard to work output?
Is the 'feeling' of a teacher about his job a measure of what he produces as output (minimum vs maximum of work)? |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Dear gregory999,
Oddly enough, I don't have any problem "measuring" it. I know when I've done my best and when I haven't. The latter happens very rarely because it leaves me feeling unhappy about myself - knowing I could have done better.
So, it's only enlightened self-interest to want to avoid that feeling. Maybe some other teachers don't have standards they measure their performance by - I don't really know if they do or not.
I'd like to think most do, but, of course, I can't know about or speak for everyone else.
All I can really tell you is I always come out of a class and take an inventory: what went well, what didn't, how could I have done it better?
Regards,
John |
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RustyShackleford

Joined: 13 May 2013 Posts: 449
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| The reflection diary is certainly an understated asset to any teacher. I never kept one until I worked in Vietnam. Really made things better and helped me connect more with students. |
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In the heat of the moment

Joined: 22 May 2015 Posts: 393 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:32 am Post subject: |
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How To Make $250,000 Teaching English in Saudi Arabia:
Write a book on it, seemingly, on account of the number of posts here. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Those who take the worship of the False God Mammon seriously can accumulate a quarter of a million smackers. Is that what you want out of life ? |
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tony87
Joined: 21 Jul 2015 Posts: 43
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Nope, nothing wrong. Just somebody I'd never hire, myself, or if I hired, wouldn't be around long.
But of course, that's only me; I'm sure lots of bosses are quite happy with employees who do the least possible amount of work.
Regards,
John |
If you wouldn't hire someone who did the minimum, then it's not the minimum, is it?
The 'minimum' is the least amount of work that is still deemed acceptable by the employer.
Also BTW, we work to live, not live to work. Most people don't care about their company or the clients at work, why should I? |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Daar sony87,
The minimum is whatever the boss decides it is. And objectively, it means the least. You don't think bosses know who is slacking off and who isn't?
But hey, if you have a boss who doesn't care, good for you.
In many places, competition for jobs can be fairly high. An employee who skates by doing the minimum would be unlikely to last too long. Have you ever been in a management/administrative position?
I think it's too bad you're doing a job you don't enjoy very much or at all, and I hope that you'll be able to find some other sort of employment that gives you a feeling of satisfaction. Spending a good portion of one's life in drudgery, doing something you don't care about must suck.
Regards,
John |
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bigdurian
Joined: 05 Feb 2014 Posts: 401 Location: Flashing my lights right behind you!
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Millions of people worldwide have fallen for the 40-40-40 Scam.
The 40-40-40 scam is where you make someone else rich by working 40+ hours a week for 40 years, and then try to retire on 40% of what you couldn't afford to live on in the first place.
Commonly known as a 'job' |
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tony87
Joined: 21 Jul 2015 Posts: 43
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Daar sony87,
The minimum is whatever the boss decides it is. And objectively, it means the least. You don't think bosses know who is slacking off and who isn't?
But hey, if you have a boss who doesn't care, good for you.
In many places, competition for jobs can be fairly high. An employee who skates by doing the minimum would be unlikely to last too long. Have you ever been in a management/administrative position?
I think it's too bad you're doing a job you don't enjoy very much or at all, and I hope that you'll be able to find some other sort of employment that gives you a feeling of satisfaction. Spending a good portion of one's life in drudgery, doing something you don't care about must suck.
Regards,
John |
Competition for jobs? In Saudi Arabia? Don't make me laugh, no one wants to come to that dump. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure it's a scam as such... it is just reality... for the 90%
VS |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Dear tony87,
So, you're not there, I take it? Were you ever there?
There's real competition for good jobs everywhere. Of course, if you're only qualified for bottom feeders, maybe the competition isn't as bad.
Regards,
John |
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