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teacha
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| What is it that in the experiences of all of these people - none of whom has ever posted on a public forum - want to say? ........ I can't comment too much about the independantly owned franchise schools, and in fact I am sure that some of them are pretty well racist. |
OMFG !!!!!! Clark, I can't beleive you!! Are you google Brian? I'm sure forumosa ha complaints on Joy, as does buxiban watch, or somewhere......BUT YOU ARE POSITIVE THERE IS NOTHING ONLINE.......Cookooo.....Cukoooo.. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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teacha,
Why don't you learn to use the quote function properly so that we know who wrote what you're quoting? |
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teacha
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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teacha,
Why don't you learn to use the quote function properly so that we know who wrote what you're quoting? |
Obviously Clark wrote it detective brainiack. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| teacha wrote: |
| OMFG !!!!!! Clark, I can't beleive you!! Are you google Brian? I'm sure forumosa ha complaints on Joy, as does buxiban watch, or somewhere......BUT YOU ARE POSITIVE THERE IS NOTHING ONLINE.......Cookooo.....Cukoooo.. |
Teacha, please don't misquote me.
I am familiar with many comments about this school that can be found online. They are overwhelming, but not entirely, positive. I note however that the negative comments about this company are not based upon serious problems such as non-payment of wages, illegal activities etc. The complaints that I have seen have all been personal in nature or chain school bashing.
My question that you quoted related to your comment that this school has a bad ranking. So where is this bad ranking and what is it based upon? Surely if there is such negativity out there about this company then you will be able to provides links to it. Do me a favor first though, check out the comments about this school over at www.buxiban.com as I am familiar with the comments that are already there, so please only introduce comments that have not already been mentioned there. |
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teacha
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Crack open my skull and rewind to my man on the street interactions and assess them for yourself or look on forumosa.con or both. People talk so the rank is one of public reputation not the stars YOU and your secret society of buxiban.con dole out. You are far too positive and tunnel visioned to be acurate on reputations of taiwanese businesses in my opinion. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| teacha wrote: |
| Crack open my skull and rewind to my man on the street interactions and assess them for yourself or look on forumosa.con or both. People talk so the rank is one of public reputation not the stars YOU and your secret society of buxiban.con dole out. You are far too positive and tunnel visioned to be acurate on reputations of taiwanese businesses in my opinion. |
Teacha as I said please point us in the direction of information that shows that Joy is as bad as you claim. I am fully aware of the posts on the site that you refer to and they are largely positive. The negative stuff that is said is pretty minor in nature. Based upon those comments your opinion of Joy seems unwarranted! |
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teacha
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| My experiences jive with the ones other people I met have had. Joy is not an honorable institution of schools. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Clark,
teacha the "brainiack" (his own misspelling) can't point to evidence and he won't. He has only a few anecdotes and that's it. But obviously teacha thinks that the plural of anecdote is data.  |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| My experiences jive with the ones other people I met have had. Joy is not an honorable institution of schools. |
Ok so we are talking about the general chain school bashing that goes on when foreigners get together. Thanks for clearing that up.
So it certainly seems that there are no substantial complaints about Joy out as if there were we could be sure that Teacha would have provided links. |
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ramakentesh
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:25 am Post subject: |
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My god - does any one read that drivel? Im sure i could keep this going for years - its amazing how easy it is to touch a nerve.
Obviously you like the Taiwanese culture so much you spend all day constructing endless diatribes of meladrama in your bedroom on the internet...
Its just so boring...
At the end of the day - like ive said - a reasonable person who expects people to act reasonably would have thought that Joy English school mimic professionalism so poorly that if you didnt realise this you have obviously never experienced professionalism first hand...
Sure its illegal for schools to do demos with real students - but 99% o9f schools do it - and really it is SOOOO different to doing demos with a bunch of office staff who are trying their best to remind you that they are office staff and not students the whole time... but anyway....
Clark - Ive spent time all over Asia - I wouldnt be as narrow minded as you to assume that the way a group of people act in an interview is in any way representative of Asian culture as a whole - I mean how did we blur the lines between business ethics and practises in one industry and culture in general? Or is that just another way that you fragile mind twists reality to serve as fodder for another diatribe?
Maybe its you that needs to go and have a look in other asian countries and realise that there is more to Asia than Taiwan.
Say what you like - I dont actually read your responses any more
One day clark, I hope you can be big enough might actually re-enter the real world... |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Say what you like - I dont actually read your responses any more |
Typical response of somebody who admits he/she has lost the argument. |
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teacha
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Say what you like - I dont actually read your responses any more |
Typical response of somebody who admits he/she has lost the argument. |
Not at all. He is brilliant. Ramakesh is brilliantly observant and knows what time it is. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| teacha wrote: |
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| ramakentesh wrote: |
| Say what you like - I dont actually read your responses any more |
Typical response of somebody who admits he/she has lost the argument. |
Not at all. He is brilliant. Ramakesh is brilliantly observant and knows what time it is. |
He may well be. But we're talking about Ramakentesh here. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:27 am Post subject: |
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I don't think this thread is boring at all. I think that it has gone on way too long, but I attribute that to the fact that you danced around so much and failed to answer a single question I raised. However, if you think it is incredibly boring and of no value then feel free to ignore it. I don't think that there is any rule on this board that states you must read each and every post.
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| Obviously you like the Taiwanese culture so much you spend all day constructing endless diatribes of meladrama in your bedroom on the internet... |
It has nothing to do with my like or dislike of Taiwanese people, it has simply to do with the fact that you are wrong and this is clear from the fact that you have failed to answer the questions that I askedand instead tried to turn the discussion from an insult of a perfectly good school into an insult about me. In my mind anyone who argues the person rather than the point of view on a public forum such as this is really not going about things the right way.
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| a reasonable person who expects people to act reasonably would have thought that Joy English school mimic professionalism so poorly that if you didnt realise this you have obviously never experienced professionalism first hand... |
Again with the insults.
I am a reasonable person and I can't see anything that you have said that suggests that Joy was unreasonable. Just because you didn't agree with the way things went doesn't mean that they were wrong.
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| Sure its illegal for schools to do demos with real students - but 99% o9f schools do it - |
Who cares what other schools do? It is their right to choose to do the wrong thing just as it is Joy's right to choose to do the right thing. The fact that they buck the trend and actually choose to do things legally suggests that they are as I have stated a better than average company.
The fact is that Joy chooses to do the demo process legally, and if you see that as being unprofessional then I think that it is you who has a problem recognising what is right and wrong.
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| I mean how did we blur the lines between business ethics and practises in one industry and culture in general? |
And what is it that Joy did that was unethical? You have never really explained this.
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| Maybe its you that needs to go and have a look in other asian countries and realise that there is more to Asia than Taiwan. |
Why do I need to understand the whole of Asia to qualify to talk about Taiwan? I don't pretend to be an expert on things that I know little about. I concentrate my discussions about Taiwan as this is what I know well. I have lived here for many years and am very familiar with the company that you came here to disparrage. I think that this is apparent as you haven't been able to show anything that I have said to be incorrect, and you have repeatedly shied away from answering my questions as you know that if you answered them truthfully then you would be revealed.
So if you want to comment on the Vietnam forum, or the Thailand forum you wont hear a peep out of me, but Taiwan has been my home for a long time and if you come here and state things that are just not right then I will challenge you on this. It is just that simple.
Feel free at anytime to look back in this thread to the list of questions that I asked you, that you stated you had already answered, but that you hadn't. Your answers could be interesting. |
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ramakentesh
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Henry - again where is the argument? Since I never actually valued Clark's opinion on this topic because it was already preconceived from the start I never bothered to really enter into it in the first place.
I mean you cant even construct your own arguments when its obvious you dont agree with me - just drivel that basically states 'clark is winning - he is good - ramakentesh is losing the argument - he is bad.'
You see Im finding it amusing that you still dont seem to understand the basic idea that only you and clark see this as a competition - Im not here to compete with you guys - I need to actually value your opinions to warrant concern.
I hope your inability to understand my plain and concise explanation of this fact does not demonstrate your ability to understand english - otherwise I am concerned for your students.
Clark - you really need me to validate your opinion dont you? Funny thing is anyone here who read this thread would agree with me and you know it...
The fact that you state that this hasnt been boring is quite amusing - you've been incredibly easy to stir ill ive you that...
I answer questions when people treat me opinion with respect - not put words in my mouth and judge me before they even know the facts - since you presumed to do both why would I want to argue with you or provide you with more facts.
Im a great judge of character clark - perhaps that is why you feel the need to contruct your endless essays - close to the bone?
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