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FishcalledWanda
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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I do plan on teaching in North America, maybe in Quebec. I have stepped in a classroom outside of Korea. However, it was in the inner-city. I honestly was out-of-my element. I am not sure any of you would understand unless you were there. I do, however, like teaching, and I am thoroughly enjoying teaching over here to young children. I haven't taught adults, so I am not sure about that. I have a BA in political science from a Canadian university; I have a teaching certificate in Social Studies from Texas. As I understand, getting a CELTA is useful for Canada and that it is recognized in Canada. Of course, getting a master's in ESL would be helpful. But, I don't want to go to Canada or the states in be out-of-pocket by getting more student loans. What about getting a master's in ESL say at Nazarene University or somewhere else in Korea while teaching? How recognized are these graduate degrees?
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Deconstructor
Joined: 30 Dec 2003
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Location: Montreal
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| FishcalledWanda wrote: |
| I do plan on teaching in North America, maybe in Quebec. I have stepped in a classroom outside of Korea. However, it was in the inner-city. I honestly was out-of-my element. I am not sure any of you would understand unless you were there. I do, however, like teaching, and I am thoroughly enjoying teaching over here to young children. I haven't taught adults, so I am not sure about that. I have a BA in political science from a Canadian university; I have a teaching certificate in Social Studies from Texas. As I understand, getting a CELTA is useful for Canada and that it is recognized in Canada. Of course, getting a master's in ESL would be helpful. But, I don't want to go to Canada or the states in be out-of-pocket by getting more student loans. What about getting a master's in ESL say at Nazarene University or somewhere else in Korea while teaching? How recognized are these graduate degrees? |
Let me ask you this question: Are you saying that you want Koreans to teach you how to teach English? One has to be positively demented to get a degree in teaching English from a non Anglophone country. And if you think you will increase your chances of getting a job, you really need to do your homework. As for teaching in North America, let us be clear: North American educational institutions don't give a flying f*ck about teaching degrees obtained from anywhere else in the world save other developed Anglophone countries like Britain and Australia.
God knows how many times I've said this: CELTA is recognized in North America only in language schools where the maximum pay is $15-17/hr. Where do you want to teach? In Quebec you can teach in colleges and universities but they will look at CELTA the way a Muslim looks at pork. You definitely need a MA at the very least.
If you want to teach in public schools, again, you need something more than CELTA like a teaching license which you can obtain in two years at McGill University in Montreal and in one year in many Ontario universities.
Again, I taught in Canada and overseas for many years with nothing but a BA. No one ever asked me for CELTA. And even if these days they do, they have no problem showing flexibility and settling for a BA since there is such a strong demand for teachers (I'm referring to overseas). |
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Serious_Fun
Joined: 28 Jun 2005
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Location: terra incognita
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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 I am waiting anxiously for ESLMan to let us know if he passed his CELTA course....
I suppose I could send an IM...
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FishcalledWanda
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Deconstructor wrote: |
| FishcalledWanda wrote: |
| I do plan on teaching in North America, maybe in Quebec. I have stepped in a classroom outside of Korea. However, it was in the inner-city. I honestly was out-of-my element. I am not sure any of you would understand unless you were there. I do, however, like teaching, and I am thoroughly enjoying teaching over here to young children. I haven't taught adults, so I am not sure about that. I have a BA in political science from a Canadian university; I have a teaching certificate in Social Studies from Texas. As I understand, getting a CELTA is useful for Canada and that it is recognized in Canada. Of course, getting a master's in ESL would be helpful. But, I don't want to go to Canada or the states in be out-of-pocket by getting more student loans. What about getting a master's in ESL say at Nazarene University or somewhere else in Korea while teaching? How recognized are these graduate degrees? |
Let me ask you this question: Are you saying that you want Koreans to teach you how to teach English? One has to be positively demented to get a degree in teaching English from a non Anglophone country. And if you think you will increase your chances of getting a job, you really need to do your homework. As for teaching in North America, let us be clear: North American educational institutions don't give a flying f*ck about teaching degrees obtained from anywhere else in the world save other developed Anglophone countries like Britain and Australia.
God knows how many times I've said this: CELTA is recognized in North America only in language schools where the maximum pay is $15-17/hr. Where do you want to teach? In Quebec you can teach in colleges and universities but they will look at CELTA the way a Muslim looks at pork. You definitely need a MA at the very least.
If you want to teach in public schools, again, you need something more than CELTA like a teaching license which you can obtain in two years at McGill University in Montreal and in one year in many Ontario universities.
Again, I taught in Canada and overseas for many years with nothing but a BA. No one ever asked me for CELTA. And even if these days they do, they have no problem showing flexibility and settling for a BA since there is such a strong demand for teachers (I'm referring to overseas). |
You are making many assumptions. I was interested, perhaps, in some reputable on-line degree. And I was wondering about Nazarene which may or not be recognized since it has its roots in the U.S. I also have a teaching degree but not in ESL; it is from the US. Ontario recognizes teaching certificates from the U.S. How do I translate that all into teaching ESL in Canada was my question and is there a way to get a degree while say teaching ESL in Canada or doing it on-line. I am sure you guys know how fun student loans are, and I want to avoid going that route. If you or someone can give some constructive feedback, I would appreciate that. Yes, I am aware an MA from foreign universities are not really recognized. But what about Nazarene which is run by foreigners or doing an on-line degree. |
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Deconstructor
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| [You are making many assumptions. I was interested, perhaps, in some reputable on-line degree. And I was wondering about Nazarene which may or not be recognized since it has its roots in the U.S. I also have a teaching degree but not in ESL; it is from the US. Ontario recognizes teaching certificates from the U.S. How do I translate that all into teaching ESL in Canada was my question and is there a way to get a degree while say teaching ESL in Canada or doing it on-line. I am sure you guys know how fun student loans are, and I want to avoid going that route. If you or someone can give some constructive feedback, I would appreciate that. Yes, I am aware an MA from foreign universities are not really recognized. But what about Nazarene which is run by foreigners or doing an on-line degree. |
You have all these qualifications yet you still feel something more is needed for you to teach in a profession as easy to get into as you getting into your shoes. You just can't wait to part with your money. Listen, there are many ways to do that and I have a feeling you're gonna find one. |
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Jetgirly
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a CELTA and a BA in English, and I work 37.5 hours a week at a private language school in Canada for significantly more than $15 per hour. That's six hours in the classroom and 1.5 hours lesson prep. I only had about 16 months of teaching experience under my belt when I got the job. Originally it was a term contract, but they offered me the chance to stay on as a permanent employee. One of the best ways to get a decent job is to show initiative: I'm willing to do more than just teach (so long as I get paid for my time). I've taken on everything from curriculum redesign to textbook inventory to creating spreadsheets so the school can record attendance on the computer. You can make a good living in Canada with the basics (BA and CELTA), if you know how to sell yourself and add value to the school. |
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FishcalledWanda
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: |
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You have all these qualifications yet you still feel something more is needed for you to teach in a profession as easy to get into as you getting into your shoes. You just can't wait to part with your money. Listen, there are many ways to do that and I have a feeling you're gonna find one. |
I don't mean to sound offensive, but you don't seem to take time to read, and you are acting a wee bit arrogant. I was wondering how one translates a teaching certificate from the U.S. and how it converts to an Ontario teaching license or that of another province. You ignored that part of my post. I also stated that I have been told that many countries require either a Master's degree or a CELTA. You simply say it is the waste of money, and you are the only I know who says that. I don't think you have a teaching certificate, so you don't know that many times teachers get certificates for this and that, that in reality don't teach you a whole lot, but it looks good on your resume. A fellow who runs a hagwon here wanted to get his CELTA, but he could not, so he did an on-line course through a TESOL program in Saskatchewan. Anyway, you don't seem to have any constructive input. Okay, your opinion that an MA in ESL or a CELTA are a waste of time is your opinion. Who disagrees or agrees with that? You also have an MA in English. People with that are looked on quite favourably. A fellow here just posted that he has a CELTA and makes decent coin. |
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svenhassel
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 188
Location: Europe
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: Re: From Bitter, bitter, stupid guy |
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| Of any of the courses worth anything, CELTA is the easiest. |
CELTA done on weekends over several months might be the easiest.
The month-long CELTA is like a brainwashing session that pushes people to their stress limits- |
Does anyone think tesol "might" be a joke and the easiest to pass
i've come across north american trained teachers who have no understanding of the differences between tenses and not even teaching experience, it seems teaching practice was done using other trainees. this has lead me to believe that the american tesol training is far inferior to the celta, please correct me if i'm wrong, does anyone have direct experience of both of these courses.
also, perhaps where you take celta affects how difficult it is, for example i went to IH in piccadilly for the four week course and found it to be the most intense and efficient training experience i'd ever had, much more difficult than that final year in uni.you might want to know that they consider the training there to be the best in the world which suggests there are different standards to be had in different schools.
and it wasn't the less popular people who failed it was the people who couldn't grasp grammar.
I was glad i took that course in that place because i felt so much more prepared than other non celta trained newbies.
thank you mister! |
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003
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Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Around here, you have to join TESOL Ontario if you want a job in the LINC system, ie the government program which caters to new canadians who want to learn the language. It is rather diffifcult to get into, but not impossible; when yourein, youre in for good.
Private schools do not haqve this requirement; experience and the CELTA are your best bet, at the better places at least. Like schools abroad, they want to see that you have al your teeth and you dont scare the kiddies.
But on the whole, I would say stay abroad if you want satisfaction teaching TEFL-ESL-or whatever its called now. Hey, try Cambodia!!  |
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eslman
Joined: 05 May 2006
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| I failed.. |
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konyoku
Joined: 09 Sep 2005
Posts: 54
Location: neither here nor there
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Keep your chin up. You never needed the CELTA in the first place. If teaching is in your heart, you'll learn as you go. It's a big ESL world out there. The possibilities are infinite. |
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Deconstructor
Joined: 30 Dec 2003
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Location: Montreal
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Has it ever occurred to you that your failure may be a sign of a good teacher? CELTA is pretty dogmatic; there are many people whose personalities can't/won't conform to its rules. Your way of teaching could be just as valid as CELTA's. |
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Pollux
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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Location: PL
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| Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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You failed one course. So what. I've failed a number of courses, but that didn't stop me from trying to get to where I wanted to go.
Don't give up, and search for a situation that will yield something you're looking for.
Consider it a small setback. |
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Deconstructor
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OK, I think this is turning into a therapy group. We're not supposed to help each other!!! Flaming is our middle name, ain't it?!  |
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The Great Toad
Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Posts: 80
Location: Formosa until Fall then... another English Crusade I shall sally off to ????
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ESL man whoa sorry to hear that... I just got done with A TEFL Int...
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=42983
Celta one month. Hmmm I thought it was easy maybe you were in the Cambridge or Oxford one? I guess those are not as easy... no idea But keep in mind you can get a free one in one of those 6 month work for your CELTA programs... It would have a slow pace too. But I do not know anything about those other than waht I read- I opted for the 1500 dollar cert...  |
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