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[TravellingAround]

[winterlynx1]

I'd say this -

1. The first degree'd teacher went into the classes without a lesson plan, arrogantly relying on experience and the possession of a degree. Crashed and burned.

2. I had two choices and one chance to make the right choice. I gambled on the 20 year old because she could engage the kids and get a point across. They came out speaking the English that she taught them. Excited about it.

3. The 20 year old went in to the class with a lesson plan (and yes, I did review it and made it better - she went into the class with professional backup).

4. I didn't send in the M.Ed. in because - although she was sound academically and, frankly, a good teacher - she couldn't engage the kids as well. Sometimes they didn't come out of the class actually speaking the English she taught. Not necessarily excited about it.

- The 20 year old made about 20% less than the degree'd person, but the assignment didn't affect salary paid out.
- As far as I know there was no sex involved. That's in our adult program.
- But I think there were jokes involved.
- The best teachers are always interesting, often entertaining.

Effectiveness. Performance. Results.

[vikdk]

now were being told youth over age - youth over experience
I thought the main argument in the anti-degree lobby was experience rules - a degree is just a piece of paper!!!!
I'm starting to think this is a - how do get dem white bodies into a classrooms a quickly as possible story.
Try a PM to that nice gentleman Clark W Griswald - he also has lots of ideas on this subject and has a nice line on how the FT must show full obedience to their new masters and their phantom contracts - which gets us poor white dudes to stay working in even the worst situations

[TravellingAround]

[Steppenwolf]

[NathanRahl]

[quote="Shakhbut"][quote="vikdk"]Nathan if I read a post like the last one - I would wonder if anybody posting that kind of stuff was good FT material - I'd then starting asking the poster a bit about his own qualifications [/quote]

....and how he could possibly spell this badly. Sorry, Nathan, but you teach English!
BTW, degree vs 20 years experience - uh, difficult one. Even five years of relevant experience would do it for me.
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Ah, well this is surely the intelligent reparte we need here, lol, not. Your nick is new have, never seen it before. Either your very new here, or a very old troll who has changed their nick. Likely the latter, my nick stays the same, only trolls do that.

Anyhow, while I do appreciate vikdks very cynical, negative, assume the worst, illogical view of my opinions and what they say about me, I can certainly understand them.

I find it sad though that someone would think that having an open mind and embracing teacher certification for english teachers here is a bad thing, or that they would use stupid, nay dumb idiot logic, and say that because I advocate this, I am somehow a bad teacher. Isn't that like saying if I like coke then pepsi must suck? Certainly it is not something I like, pepsi that is, but not liking oneone does not necessarily imply the other. Heck, liking one and not the other says no such thing. Same difference in my commnts on what makes a good english teacher here in china. Just another personal attack thinly veiled, how sad.

And folks, if the best you can do is attack someones typing ability, be my guest. Their called typos by the way, not bad spelling. You see, sometimes my brain moves so fast my fingers can not keep up, and I do hunt and peck. I suppose though if one possesses limited intellect, but wishes to have some form of comeback, they figure "let's invalidate the arguement by invalidating the person, attack his or hers typing". Wow, thats lame, even for this forum. Then again, only trolls make arguements like that, and trolls are indeed lame people.

Vikdk, nice to see that your beginning to fall into the fold, and adopt that hive mentality. Later all.

[no_exit]

[Malsol]

Private Education is BIG business and that means businessmen and not educators are running the show. Even in the Public Schools money is the bottom line. Fewer teachers, larger classes etc.

Profit and not quality education is the bottom line.

NO NEWS!

Teachers who have experience will tell you why a degree is not necessary.

Young teachers with no experience will tell you why experience is detrimental for having established bad habbits.

Everybody wants to blow their own horn, feel like they are worthy, have a purpose in life, justify their existence. This is completely understandable.

So in China we get unscrupulous business men running schools and unqualified teachers in the classroom. SO WHAY?

It is the Chinese who allow, encourage and facilitate this. As I have said many times, I am no expert in anything.Y et, the Chinese give me a book with my name in it and they call me a Foreign Expert. I smoke but never blow smoke in anyone's face yet the Chinese are blowing smoke up my skirt.


It is the students I feel sorry for. The consumer gets ripped off again.

Stop and ask yourself this question:

Would I want me to be by child's teacher?

Answer: heck no.

So just think, we are doing our part to screw up China's future.

Keep up the good work kids.

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[nickpellatt]

[quote="Malsol"]

Stop and ask yourself this question:

Would I want me to be by child's teacher?

Answer: heck no.
[/quote

Speak for yourself Malsol - I would love to be my childs teacher - on occasion I am......and on occasion I think he enjoys it and learns something too.

[Malsol]

[quote="nickpellatt"]

[nickpellatt]

I do recall you saying you know the school I am going to be working....

Well if you're ever in Hainan - please visit! We could exchange banter in person.....

[Malsol]