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cornishmuppet



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was sure someone had to be helping him. Just the fact that he apparently got the job by going up to the company boss in the street and begging for it would have made me suspicious, and at the time he wouldn't have had time to grow his hair or beard.

Glad they caught him in the end. There were some pretty scathing comments about the efficiency of the Japanese police posted as comments on an article on a news website I was reading yesterday. "Keystone Cops" was the one that seemed most accurate. Wikipedia has some interesting information about his first escape, 9 officers, or something, starting around outside for two hours because they weren't allowed to knock without due reason, something like that. At least they've caught him though. Hopefully it actually IS him....
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not surprised either, and it has nothing to do with it happening in Japan.


I'm not sure I agree with this. It takes years to apprehend suspected murderers in many parts of the world, but there are relatively few cases where the identity of the suspect is so widely advertised and they remain "at large" for 2.5 years. The time when he started working for the construction company would've been shortly after the 1 year anniversary (and associated media coverage).


So what conclusion are you drawing here? That the people at the construction company actually knew who he was but didn't say anything and that this is because they are Japanese? I sincerely doubt that. Or are you just saying people here are oblivious?

Have a look again at what I said in my post:

Apsara wrote:


Also, unlike the picture of him that was widely circulated originally, while working at the construction company he had longer hair, a short beard and moustache, and apparently always wore a hat and glasses, and often a mask, even while working.



If Ichihashi had walked up to you wearing a hat, glasses and a mask, can you honestly say you would have recognised him? As I said above, I think that the fact that he actually disguised himself quite heavily makes it understandable that he was able to hide for so long. We can't pass judgement on these people, because we weren't there, although this case seems to attract an enormous amount of people passing judgement in all directions, on the police, his parents, Japanese people in general. I find statements like "he got away with it for so long because this is Japan" and similar to be somewhat racist, and I'm amazed that intelligent people feel comfortable making comments like that on a public forum.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, and it's a stretch, but I do think it's odd with the amount of press initially that before he had plastic surgery he wasn't picked up. People would see his face sometimes, as he was living in a company dormitory.
I mean, wouldn't you recognize someone who had been on the news living in your own dorm?

Wouldn't you wonder why a construction worker was getting plastic surgery (it's not like he was making a bundle)?

As to the keystone cops analogy, actually not all the police officers were there when he escaped, a mere 4 at that time. Still seems odd that he could get away.

Seems to me the police should have put more pressure on the relatives, as obviously someone was helping him as initially he had litle or no money.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
Well, and it's a stretch, but I do think it's odd with the amount of press initially that before he had plastic surgery he wasn't picked up. People would see his face sometimes, as he was living in a company dormitory.
I mean, wouldn't you recognize someone who had been on the news living in your own dorm?



Remember that until a few days ago, all anyone had seen was the old picture of him- short hair, arched eyebrows etc. As soon as the new photo came out, people started reporting sightings of him, which shows how effective the measures he took to change his appearance were previously. Not everyone in Japan paid the amount of attention to this case that the foreign community did, and I don't think they can be blamed for that. As well as the hat, glasses, mask etc, he apparently spent almost all his time alone in his tiny room- it's not as if it was a college dorm situation.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[/quote] As to the keystone cops analogy, actually not all the police officers were there when he escaped, a mere 4 at that time. Still seems odd that he could get away.[/quote]

Nine, according to this article

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5139609.ece

While before all the keystone buffoonery began she was probably already dead, it makes my blood boil reading that section about the police. Couldn't 'knock', couldn't 'restrain him', couldn't jump down after him for 'health and safety' reasons.

Obviously the article takes a certain stance, and has certain "inaccuracies" - "a club in Tokyo�s gay quarter, Shinjuku" (er, not all of it), judging from what I've seen of Japanese police I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly how it went down.

Their training must specialise in checking bycycles for lights, cars stopping at stop lines, and old men riding without seatbelts. Nice job, boys.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:

Seems to me the police should have put more pressure on the relatives, as obviously someone was helping him as initially he had litle or no money.


This idea seems to have been pretty much disproved. His parents made statements urging him to give himself up and categorically denied that they had helped him in any way or even had any contact with him- I tend to believe them. Also, I'm certain the police went after that line of investigation, and clearly they didn't turn up anything. We don't know how much money he had with him when he ran, or whether he was able to steal money to get by initially- wouldn't have been that hard.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The parents urged him to give up recently, not when he first disappeared.

People can state what they want, it doesn't mean it's true. In other words, I believe he was getting help, as his own income was not enough to support an initial life on the run. Some people strongly suspect the father's side of the family, so it may not have been the father directly, but rather a relative.

They didn't investigate the parents harddrives nor tap their phone lines, so I'm not sure what you mean by a 'full' investigation.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
The parents urged him to give up recently, not when he first disappeared.

People can state what they want, it doesn't mean it's true. In other words, I believe he was getting help, as his own income was not enough to support an initial life on the run. Some people strongly suspect the father's side of the family, so it may not have been the father directly, but rather a relative.

They didn't investigate the parents harddrives nor tap their phone lines, so I'm not sure what you mean by a 'full' investigation.


You're misquoting me- where did I use the word "full" in my post? Since the parents would be the most obvious avenue of investigation, I'm assuming that the police looked into it to their satisfaction. I know that people can say what they want, and it doesn't make it true, but there is not one shred of evidence that his parents assisted him, only speculation, and I feel that they are telling the truth. I used to think otherwise, but based on the last week's events, I changed my mind. You think otherwise, and you are welcome to your opinion- I've just been stating mine, which is that his parents are innocent unless proven guilty.
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of sepculation here. I think seome people should read more on this case and write less. Confused

I know Nishinari-ku where he got his job and there are many day labourers there who will work for very little money. I doubt anyone who employs them is scrupulous about checking their identity. Confused

I think there is too much snide talk about how Japanese would let this happen so long but think about it. The new photographs of him came out very recently and he was caught very quickly. Someone did a good job here, so let's be thankful for that.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to backtrack to part of my earlier post. From the news accounts I read, I do think he got the surgery earlier (prior to taking the construction job), so I don't the workers could have known (they stated that they recognized him from the after photos when those were released in the media). They don't specifically say when he got the first surgery, but I'm assuming it would be obvious if some's face changed dramatically while you were working with them that it would be suspicious (especially if it's done for noncosmetic reasons).

cool teacher posted
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....and there are many day labourers there who will work for very little money.


Day laborers don't live in a company dormitory.

apsara posted
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You're misquoting me- where did I use the word "full" in my post? Since the parents would be the most obvious avenue of investigation, I'm assuming that the police looked into it to their satisfaction. I know that people can say what they want, and it doesn't make it true, but there is not one shred of evidence that his parents assisted him, only speculation, and I feel that they are telling the truth. I used to think otherwise, but based on the last week's events, I changed my mind. You think otherwise, and you are welcome to your opinion- I've just been stating mine, which is that his parents are innocent unless proven guilty.


No, I think that the investigation wasn't a very good one. As to speculations about the family helping him, these have been from Japanese people I know (though I agree with them).

Remember, we're talking about a 28 year old guy supported by his parents with a paid apartment and an allowance. He suddenly lams it with no shoes and supposed little money, and he disappears for 2 and a half years with no help?

For some reason, I don't think so.

As I mentioned earlier, the mother only recently asked him to turn himself in, not when he disappeared 2 years and 7 months ago.

Thanks Ichihashi's Mom (well, for a little..)!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200911110126.html

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According to the builder's employees, Ichihashi approached them on Aug. 19, 2008, when they were recruiting workers in a day laborers' town in Osaka's Nishinari Ward.

He had said he needed money and asked them for help, they said.

At the time he was wearing the glasses and a baseball cap, and only had a paper bag with him.

He signed the work papers as "Kosuke Inoue" and supplied a phone number in Osaka's Minato Ward as his father's. He ate breakfast and supper at the dorm and was shuttled to and from construction sites from Monday to Saturday.


http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200911110101.html

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According to police investigators, Ichihashi visited a hospital in Fukuoka city in mid-October in the hope of having plastic surgery, but was denied because he did not have an appointment.

About 10 days later on Oct. 23, Ichihashi went to a Nagoya hospital where he was seen by a doctor. On the following day, he underwent plastic surgery on his nose. The operation cost several hundreds of thousands of yen. He made another appointment for Oct. 31, but never showed up.

Ichihashi used a pseudonym and an address in Osaka when he visited the hospitals in Fukuoka and Nagoya.

On Nov. 5, police released a photo of Ichihashi taken at the Nagoya hospital before he underwent plastic surgery. He had his facial features altered even before then.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
Remember, we're talking about a 28 year old guy supported by his parents with a paid apartment and an allowance. He suddenly lams it with no shoes and supposed little money, and he disappears for 2 and a half years with no help?


I'd have to agree. It sounds like he was unable to look after himself even before he went on the run. It'll certainly be interesting to see what he claims he was doing for the months between the murder and working at the construction company. And surely giving his father's phone number on his work papers was a little bit risky?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks cool teacher, I stand corrected. I think it's unusual for a day laborer to live in a dormitory Shocked (if you follow stories about the men in Sanya in Tokyo, you'd know what I mean), so I'm not sure if he was still a day laborer Surprised .
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
Thanks cool teacher, I stand corrected. I think it's unusual for a day laborer to live in a dormitory Shocked (if you follow stories about the men in Sanya in Tokyo, you'd know what I mean), so I'm not sure if he was still a day laborer Surprised .


No, I think your right that he wasn't a day labourer at the comapny. When they recruited him he was a day labourer and then he was living in the dorm later.

Also, you must be correct that he had plastic surgery beofre he worked for the construction company so he must have got a lot of money before that. How did he get it? So, you are probably right that someone was helping him. Or helped him at first.
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