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What kind of lifestyle can you actually have on 5000 RMB/m?
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PattyFlipper



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

judgedredd wrote:

whereas the average Thai person will earn maybe 7 or 8k.


The average uneducated Thai person performing unskilled labour will earn maybe 7 or 8 k. Professional/skilled Thais (including teachers) with MAs and/or significant experience in their field make substantially more than that, certainly in Bangkok.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=71793
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For experienced workers, the BOI recommends the following:

+ Executive secretary (35,000 baht per month)
+ Sales (22,000 baht per month)
+ Office staff (15,000 baht per month)
+ Office manager (49,995 baht per month)
+ Web designer (27 - 38,000 baht per month)
+ Programmer (24 - 27,000 baht per month)
+ Information Technology (90 - 100,000 baht per month)

Entry-level positions are also detailed:

+ Computer programmer (14,000 baht per month)
+ Accountant (16,250 per month)
+ Customer service (7,700 per month)
+ HR manager (22,500 per month)
+ PR manager (18,000 per month)

As of June 2006, these are considered fair wages to pay skilled knowledge workers in Thailand.


A young, newly-minted, Thai teacher (without an MA) would start at a minimum of Bht 8,000 (more likely 10 or 12 k). They also have access to things like credit, low-cost loans, pensions, subsidized health care, and a support network which you, as a farang, do not. The Thais can give the Chinese lessons in making disingenuous pleas of poverty and hoodwinking whitey into believing his pittance is "so much more than the locals earn". And if you still doubt what I say, just take a stroll through the staff and student car parks at a Bangkok university.
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judgedredd



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well of course the skilled and educated Thais are going to earn more than average! I just gave you THE average, what I would say about 90% of the population takes home, certainly its less than 10,000/month.

Also I disagree with you about new Thai teachers. I work at a Demonstration school of a very large University in North East Bangkok, the new teachers there take home 7765 baht/month. After tax. Thats it! I have even seen my colleagues pay slip, so I know this is true, whether you believe it or not.. And I would think most, if not all new teachers start on the same salary, not 10-12 k as you suggested.

Some of the senior teachers at my school, who have been around for 20 or 30 years, make a bit more, but even then it's only around 20k a month.

You are right, they do get additional benefits, and they have support networks(their families) but this still isn't much. All of the younger teachers I know all still live at home and have a far less opulent lifestyle than me! That was my main point, about how I can afford to live so well here, compared to most other people.

Lastly, what you posted about salaries in Thailand was only a reccomendation, nothing more, and the reality is Thailand is so corrupt and unfair, and there is a lot of competition for these kind of jobs, so a lot of people will in fact settle for less.

Sure there are some rich people, you get that everywhere, but for the majority, they still have along way to go.. I would imagine my job teaching English here puts me in the top 20% of earners, and I can enjoy the lifestyle that goes with that.

The whole point of my post was too find out if i could do the same in China or not, in order to make a decision about whether to actually go there or not.
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judgedredd



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bearcanada, thanks for sharing that with me us. Depending on what i decide to do next, i may well try it. If so, I'll let you know if I succeed or not! Wink
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No Moss



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that the increasing skills of the Chinese in English pose any threats to FTs. Chinese teachers with good languge skills tend to leave for other jobs. As language skills of the students increase, they increasingly need the full fluency and cultural content that only FTs can provide.

Also, in Asia in general, people are aware that the Chinese classroom model has severe limitations. The Chinese focus on vocabulary means that they are concentrating on isolated words rather than fluency, resulting in students who have a decent reading vocablulary but virtually no conversational fluency.
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rach24



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent 6 months in Jinan, Shandong province (a pretty big city). My school paid my rent, but i lived comfortably on 5000 rmb/month mainly eating chinese but with some western things and some travel to other parts of china. I was never even close to running out of money, although didn't save any to bring home.
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peterberlin1980



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A'Moo wrote:
I am seeing fewer backpackers and more Filipinos/Africans taking on English teaching jobs here, and I doubt they are pulling in 5000-6000 a month.


I'm in Guangzhou and I knew a few filipinos who are pulling in over 15,000 a month teaching between a contract job and part time. In fact at a college where i used to work filipinos were prefered as their grammar skills were far superior to us brits and many had flawless american accents. Depends on qualifications and educational background but with a bit of extra graft and good contacts i think filipinos can find many of the same jobs requiring the same criteria as white guys and gals here in gz.
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Ahchoo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

judgedredd wrote:
eslstudies wrote:
"Dating" is not as straight forward as in the West either.


Just noticed that comment.. What do you mean by that ?!

That requires a whole nother thread I think. That's a huge subject.
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