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Ban on Smoking in DF restaurants
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you - I didn't know about that.
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kosherpickle



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It cracks me up every time it comes to fruition.
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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd support it all if it wasn't the thin end of the wedge. I'm one of those social smokers who 'bums cigarettes' as Guy puts it. (In Ireland we call them chipper smokers though I'm not sure if that a British / American English difference or just an Ireland thing.) Very Happy

In Latvia originally it was banned by default except where premises could show that they have a hermetically sealed room for smokers. Curiously places which deal in water pipes, an increasingly trendy thing in Riga, seem to be exempt. In practice it's resulted in about 95% of places becoming smoke free. A nice compromise as those who didn't want to smoke in sub zero temperatures still have places to go to. In practice, in some of 'em due to the number of smokers crammed in, it's often better to go outside anyway.

Unfortunately they're now talking about banning smoking in public altogether in Riga which seems to me a step too far. Rolling Eyes

It was the same in UK. Originally bars were to be given the choice - to serve food or allow smoking but then the legislation got changed. I just don't have confidence in governments who start down this public health route. In Ireland, it was smoking at first but then it became alcohol with happy hours now illegal and restrictive bar opening hours. What next - fatty foods, car use?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What next - fatty foods


I think New York state already has legislation in this area...not sure if it's law or if I simply read about proposals.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New York City has recently passed a law encouraging restaurants to stop using partially hydrogenated or trans fats in their kitchens. These substances are incredibly unhealthy - their main use is as a preservative rather than to add flavor to foods. There are lots more details about this on the internet, if anyone cares to investigate it further.
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dixie



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a ton of things that are bad for us, but until recently, with all of our scientific knowledge, and ability, these bads things were allowed, and sometimes encouraged.

Really, if we make all of the "bad" things illegal, what is going to stop the population from growing more out of control, and thus, consuming the earth at a rate that cannot be tolerated?

Sounds harsh, but how many people cannot afford or have access to simple daily food intake needs?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
New York City has recently passed a law encouraging restaurants to stop using partially hydrogenated or trans fats in their kitchens. These substances are incredibly unhealthy - their main use is as a preservative rather than to add flavor to foods. There are lots more details about this on the internet, if anyone cares to investigate it further.


Thank you...that's what I'd read. McDonald's and Burger King soon to be pushed out of NYC and into New Jersey?
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, New Jersey gets a bad enough rap as it is - it doesn't need all of NYC's MacDonalds fast food joints! Actually, all the MacDonald''s management has to do is to think of a way to make its "tasty treats" using healthier ingredients. I wonder if that would raise their prices...
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
New York City has recently passed a law encouraging restaurants to stop using partially hydrogenated or trans fats in their kitchens.


So has Calgary, Alberta. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080105/calgary_health_080105/20080105?hub=Health
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting side bar to the story.

U.N. Organization Says Tobacco Now Causes 10 Percent of World's Adult Deaths
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dixie



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE wrote:
Here's an interesting side bar to the story.

U.N. Organization Says Tobacco Now Causes 10 Percent of World's Adult Deaths


Gotta love how they are putting out the no-smoking campaign, and you you can still freely smoke at the UN!

Seriously though, again I have to ask, why not just make cigarettes illegal?...
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dixie wrote:
MELEE wrote:
Here's an interesting side bar to the story.

U.N. Organization Says Tobacco Now Causes 10 Percent of World's Adult Deaths


Gotta love how they are putting out the no-smoking campaign, and you you can still freely smoke at the UN!

Seriously though, again I have to ask, why not just make cigarettes illegal?...


Your logic is impeccable, but we have to keep in mind the power of the tobacco lobby, not to mention the government revenue acquired from taxes on tobacco products.
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M@tt



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

did anyone else read about the recent study that concluded it is cheaper for the government to treat obese people and smokers, who will die quite soon, rather than healthy people, who live too long and end up with long, drawn out problems later in life? it was in response to the argument that smokers and fat people cost the health care system too much money.
i think you should just be able to shoot people that are really annoying.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i think you should just be able to shoot people that are really annoying.


Shocked

Snooty French waiters...



Mexico organ grinders..



Fran Drescher...

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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i think you should just be able to shoot people that are really annoying.


Please, please make that law!!!! Very Happy

I will add:

Franeleros, particularly those old men who put on a kind of uniform to look official and blow a whistle which I want to ram down their throat. (and people who encourage them by giving them money).

98% of Mexican drivers who don't have a clue how to drive and particularly those who are so damn lazy they ignore one-way streets.

Newsreaders who give opinions instead of facts.

Hypocrites who offer "peace" in mass every Sunday and then don't respect the tranquility of their neighbors.

AMLO.

Parents who let their children ride in shopping carts (rather than in the seat provided).

People who don't pay taxes but want all the privileges this pays for.

Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth etc.

Cyclists.

People who park their cars completely blocking the sidewalk.

Bookshop owners who only have the book you want covered in plastic so you can't see what's inside.

Students.

Mexican policemen

People who put "baby on board" signs in their cars

Ambulantes

etc, etc

Thank you, I feel better now. Very Happy
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