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john_n_carolina

Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 700 Location: n. carolina
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:25 am Post subject: |
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...i had one Mexican kid (when i taught kindergarten) that spoke about 6 words of English. the school was Montessori based and public. we (the principal and I) agreed to watch him for 4-6 weeks. in 6 weeks it was like he had flown off to Mercury and come back a new person. he never went to the trailers.
he was a real sharp kid with energy and attention 3-4x higher and longer than the regular class. this was an all day Kindergarten from 730-230 and he was still listening and "on task" at 230. and, a real good sense of humor whereas some of the U.S. kids almost seemed depressed or in outerspace.
however, there were 3 or 4 in the class of 15 that were lightyears ahead of him. interestingly, they were all taught from a very early age, preschool, Headstart, and solid families. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
Chancellor, I think your advice overlooks the fact that Vanica is a newcomer and plans to be a short-term resident. This status has some impact on her chances of effecting change in the status quo: she would have to spend considerable time and energy to earn enough credibility to be listened to - and whatever she could ultimately win in the situation will be no more than short-term benefit for her child. |
It doesn't matter that she's a newcomer and intends to be there only for the short-term: federal law requires that the government indoctrination centers (public schools) provide certain services. Parents can't let these school districts push them around. |
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Vanica
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 368 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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I appreciate what you say, Chancellor. I haven't decided yet if I shall peaceably let the matter die down for the rest of the school year, as my daughter delighted me with a silent cheer (a circular rowing motion to a syncopated beat) and the words, You are not the boss of me! These are things that I could not have taught her myself.
Maybe the school people will remember us at some time in the future and say, We knew a little girl who learned English so fast, but still mixed in some French words and became frustrated when she couldn't remember everything all at once. So maybe your child is doing the same thing.
Instead of, the weird, foreign mother with her horrible accent became belligerent and she doesn't want to admit her daughter is retarded but we managed to get a ton of evidence against them and maybe would have called the social workers if they had not gone back to where they came from. It is So hard to be a teacher and the whole problem are all those foreigners and the dark ones are a problem, too!
I might reconsider my position if I receive new derogatory comments from the school.
Le monde diplomatique published an article about homeschooling and right-wing fundamentalist Christians in the US, forgetting how homeschooling is gaining popularity in France, where it is called d�scolarisation.
The second goldfish was found dead this morning, as I gradually was increasing the amount of Brita-filtered tap water in the bowl. If the air and water were better here, I would consider fighting the good fight.
Does Obama consider repealing NCLB? |
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rusmeister
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 867 Location: Russia
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Chancellor wrote: |
spiral78 wrote: |
Chancellor, I think your advice overlooks the fact that Vanica is a newcomer and plans to be a short-term resident. This status has some impact on her chances of effecting change in the status quo: she would have to spend considerable time and energy to earn enough credibility to be listened to - and whatever she could ultimately win in the situation will be no more than short-term benefit for her child. |
It doesn't matter that she's a newcomer and intends to be there only for the short-term: federal law requires that the government indoctrination centers (public schools) provide certain services. Parents can't let these school districts push them around. |
Here I must agree with Chancellor.
The system would basically have her child working at the Classic Car Wash (TM) or whatever, so she should push for whatever she can, and if it turns out to be useless, take her child's education into her own hands - even if it's only short-term. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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I've personally fought the Southern System. It ain't worth it, y'all
Just go away, if at all possible. |
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john_n_carolina

Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 700 Location: n. carolina
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:17 am Post subject: |
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...i agree -- i doubt you'd get anything done before June. there are so many loopholes they can pull through and stall.
have you talked to the other mother of the Korean student who was sent to the trailers?
what's her opinion? |
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Vanica
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 368 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: The Knights of Xe |
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I have never seen the child from Korea. I think my neighbours who came from Vietnam two years ago have a child in a grade lower than his age.
Well, I just found out that the area of NC that I liked, the NE Outer Banks is the home of mercenary organisation Blackwater -- I mean, the artist formerly known as (Erik) Prince ...heretofore called the Knights of Xe, pronounced She? Sharday? Xie xie?
We saw two young guys from Pachuca that we met a few weeks ago, they had been stopped by three cop cars with so many lights on, standing in the meridian of the highway while some man in full combat (maybe one of She's crusaders?) was going through their van. We circled a few times, but there was no way to get even close with all the traffic.
Maybe they were also guilty of malfeasance with a preposition. It is apparently a serious crime here. I hope they are all right. |
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john_n_carolina

Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 700 Location: n. carolina
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: |
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V-- just so we can get a good idea of what's going on....what is your daughter's schedule like?
for e.g. classes from 800Am-3pm?
Art
History
Science
how many hours out of the day is she out of her normal 1st grade? |
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Vanica
Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 368 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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I just received another xeroxed, form letter to the parents of children who are being retained. OK! No one has called back for a conference appointment and there have been no comments in her folder.
John,
She is not doing anything special right now.
The day's schedule for everyone in the 1st grade is:
8:45-9:15 morning routine
9:15-10:10 writer's workshop, snack
10:15-10:55 drama/art/media/music/PE
10:55-11:15 morning meeting
11:15-12:20 literary work stations/reading groups
12:20-12:50 lunch
12:50-1:10 bathroom break and read-aloud
1:10-1:55 science/ss/math/elective (Spanish)
2:50-3:30 snack and recess
There are also some option programmes that we don't participate in, Accelerated Reader ARC, where you read books to accrue points to turn in for prizes, and Blast Off to Reading, which is memorising lists of sight words. Both are done at home with the parent, and then evaluated on the computer at school.
According to my daughter, she doesn't get too much attention, and often says, The teachers were too busy to read with me today. |
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john_n_carolina

Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 700 Location: n. carolina
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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well, i guess if she has that schedule she will be OK. as long as she isn't sent out to the trailers for 3 or 4 periods or loses the playground time. you'd be surprised how much English kids learn on the playground.
maybe she could bring some books along and read with her classmate neighbor.
or, have her start singing nursery rhymes real loud. that will get the teacher's attention. Itsy Bitsy, 1,2 Buckle My Shoe, Old Mother Hubbard etc.  |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Vanica wrote: |
I just received another xeroxed, form letter to the parents of children who are being retained. OK! No one has called back for a conference appointment and there have been no comments in her folder.
John,
She is not doing anything special right now.
The day's schedule for everyone in the 1st grade is:
8:45-9:15 morning routine
9:15-10:10 writer's workshop, snack
10:15-10:55 drama/art/media/music/PE
10:55-11:15 morning meeting
11:15-12:20 literary work stations/reading groups
12:20-12:50 lunch
12:50-1:10 bathroom break and read-aloud
1:10-1:55 science/ss/math/elective (Spanish)
2:50-3:30 snack and recess
There are also some option programmes that we don't participate in, Accelerated Reader ARC, where you read books to accrue points to turn in for prizes, and Blast Off to Reading, which is memorising lists of sight words. Both are done at home with the parent, and then evaluated on the computer at school.
According to my daughter, she doesn't get too much attention, and often says, The teachers were too busy to read with me today. |
This doesn't seem like such a bad schedule, though I don't know why they bother to have that snack and recess at the end of the day. With the writing workshops and the literary work stations/reading groups, she's getting good exposure to what schools here in New York call English/Language Arts (ELA). The Blast Off to Reading is something I would encourage you to participate in as learning sight words is an important element of developing reading skills. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Chancellor,
Snack and recess at the end of the day is pretty common at Head Start pre-school.
I can't speak for this specific place, but I know that at the Head Start where I used to work, many of the children came from very poor families and might not have been getting much to eat once they left the school.
Regards,
John |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Dear Chancellor,
Snack and recess at the end of the day is pretty common at Head Start pre-school.
I can't speak for this specific place, but I know that at the Head Start where I used to work, many of the children came from very poor families and might not have been getting much to eat once they left the school.
Regards,
John |
Ah, yes, of course: schools thinking that they are supposed to be the children's parents instead of just sending them home.
If I were doing the schedule, I might be inclined to do smaller breaks throughout the day, extend the lunch period to include recess, and put the afternoon snack somewhere in between the science and the other afternoon coursework. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Chancellor,
"Ah, yes, of course: schools thinking that they are supposed to be the children's parents instead of just sending them home."
I hope you will excuse me, but that seems a rather cavalier comment to make. Perhaps you haven't had too much exposure to extreme poverty, but
I feel that by giving that "end-of-day" snack, Head Start, rather than "thinking they are supposed to be the children's parents" was showing concern for the children's welfare.
Regards,
John |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Dear Chancellor,
"Ah, yes, of course: schools thinking that they are supposed to be the children's parents instead of just sending them home."
I hope you will excuse me, but that seems a rather cavalier comment to make. Perhaps you haven't had too much exposure to extreme poverty, but
I feel that by giving that "end-of-day" snack, Head Start, rather than "thinking they are supposed to be the children's parents" was showing concern for the children's welfare.
Regards,
John |
John, I live in the third-poorest city in the United States, my father's side of my family is from Appalachia (as in southwestern West Virginia/eastern Kentucky), and when I was a child I was part of a single-parent household on public assistance. As for exposure to "extreme poverty," I've been to the Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Pakistan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, and a few other places over the years. I've seen some of that "extreme poverty" up close.
Opposition to the government playing nanny does not mean lack of concern for children's welfare.
But we're starting to stray off topic here. |
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