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lizziebennet



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It may very well be that we here on Dave's have seen the future with all these 'agencies' - and it's not an encouraging sight.


Were all of you direct hires? Do you think universities are not going to bother hiring directly anymore and just go the recruiter route?
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno. Didn't work for unis. Upgraded my credss, got the h-e-double hockey sticks outta 'dere and started working for someone nearby and....much, much, much nicer! Very Happy

Hey, 'dere, "J"!

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Kalima Shahada



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lizziebennet wrote:
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It may very well be that we here on Dave's have seen the future with all these 'agencies' - and it's not an encouraging sight.


Were all of you direct hires? Do you think universities are not going to bother hiring directly anymore and just go the recruiter route?


lizzie, the thing of it is, Saudi is going through a revolutionary change with regards to university education. They have never needed so many new ESL teachers in as many start-up programs as we've seen over the past three years. Once the infrastructure sets in, they will most likely not need to do so much mass hiring as we've been seeing these days with KSU, PMU and all of the other government universities throughout the Kingdom.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had a few jobs in KSA, and in every case I've been hired directly by the employer.

In answer to your question, it's difficult to say if the 'fashion' for using agencies will become permanent. As kalima says, the university system is undergoing massive expansion in the Kingdom right now, and some universities may feel unable to do all the hiring by themselves. Bell are reputed to be looking to hire several hundred ESL teachers for KSU, to give just one example.

It remains to be seen whether the agencies will remain a part of the scene in KSA, or if, as kalima says, they may be discarded once things settle down and the universities feel they have the infrastructure to do their own hiring. Only time will tell.
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huntjuliehunt



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A year ago I contacted hiring departments at KSU, and was told that they do not hire ESL teachers directly and that it must be done through their chosen recruiter. This was after other teachers had told me to apply directly through the unviversity for the best package. Hm.

Cleopatra, I used to come on here a few years ago and you were so nasty, but now you answer things directly and with humanity. What happened? Smile
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear huntjuliehunt,

"Cleopatra, I used to come on here a few years ago and you were so nasty, but now you answer things directly and with humanity. What happened?"

Oh my - batten the hatches, secure the sails, and prepare to be boarded. Shocked

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Kalima Shahada



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
I've had a few jobs in KSA, and in every case I've been hired directly by the employer.

In answer to your question, it's difficult to say if the 'fashion' for using agencies will become permanent. As kalima says, the university system is undergoing massive expansion in the Kingdom right now, and some universities may feel unable to do all the hiring by themselves. Bell are reputed to be looking to hire several hundred ESL teachers for KSU, to give just one example.

It remains to be seen whether the agencies will remain a part of the scene in KSA, or if, as kalima says, they may be discarded once things settle down and the universities feel they have the infrastructure to do their own hiring. Only time will tell.
I wouldn't say 'discarded.' Maybe fazed out (slowly but surely) is more like it.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Cleopatra, I used to come on here a few years ago and you were so nasty, but now you answer things directly and with humanity. What happened?"


I dunno. Maybe people started asking polite, intelligent questions and didn't throw a fit when other people didn't deliver the answer they wanted.

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I wouldn't say 'discarded.' Maybe fazed out (slowly but surely) is more like it.


Either way, it is to be hoped that these agencies will not become a permanent fixture. Even if they are fased out, however, the lousy conditions on offer from these places may not change. As I've said elsewhere, though, happily there still are some decent employers who are prepared to pay for quality staff.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

faze?

fase?

Perhaps "phase" Laughing

VS
(sorry... writing teacher moment...)
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leez



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Location: wait until next week...yes, of course the embassy is closed on monday!

PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
faze?

fase?

Perhaps "phase" Laughing

VS
(sorry... writing teacher moment...)


likewise, my 'edit' eye catches such words here constantly, but don't know whether i am looking a a different british spelling or just a spelling of its own animal...

xo Confused
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leez



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leez wrote:
veiledsentiments wrote:
faze?

fase?

Perhaps "phase" Laughing

VS
(sorry... writing teacher moment...)


likewise, my 'edit' eye catches such words here constantly, but don't know whether i am looking a a different british spelling or just a spelling of its own animal...

xo Confused


...then there's the typos...

xo
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear leez,

And then there are the typos Smile.

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John
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then, there are the typos Very Happy.

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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear NCTBA,
And then there is this:

"It is permissible to omit the comma after a brief introductory element if the omission does not result in confusion or hesitancy in reading.

It is permissible, even commonplace, to omit a comma after most brief introductory elements � a prepositional phrase, an adverb, or a noun phrase:
Yesterday afternoon we sat around waiting for Bill to arrive.
By evening we had become impatient.
Jauntily he walked into the hall.


http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/commas.htm

Regards,
John

Very Happy
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, apparently, "'Ain't' ain't a word" ain't true anymore. Crying or Very sad

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