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The Mideast Question: how do you or did you cope with living
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Deicide,

Hmm, how about a user-name change: Gloom and Doom? Good heavens, man - please TRY to lighten up a little.

Regards,
John
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
johnslat wrote:
I'm afraid that I KNOW johnslat pretty well, and, believe me, he's a loooooooooooooong way from mastering human existence...

Regards,
John


Which poses the age old question, John.

If you haven't mastered human existance yet...are you, at least, the Master of your Domain? Laughing

NCTBA


Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear Deicide,

Hmm, how about a user-name change: Gloom and Doom? Good heavens, man - please TRY to lighten up a little.

Regards,
John


My mood corresponds to my life circumstnces; if they improve, so too will my mood. I have what they call circumstantial depression.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Deicide,

Be Satan-like (after all, he wanted to "kill God," too):

"The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven."


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John
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear Deicide,

Be Satan-like (after all, he wanted to "kill God," too):

"The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven."


Regards,
John


Well...I don't buy that. Give me what I want and all will be fine but it ain't got nothing to do with no mind...
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Deicide,

Do you know why, for alcoholics, the "geographic cure" never works? It's because wherever you go, you take yourself along.

Do you see why getting what you want is highly unlikely to change your outlook?

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John
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear Deicide,

Do you know why, for alcoholics, the "geographic cure" never works? It's because wherever you go, you take yourself along.

Do you see why getting what you want is highly unlikely to change your outlook?

Regards,
John


Why then, was I content when I was doing my MA in York, when I had enough money, intellectual stimulation and friends there? How do you explain that phenomenon? Now, all that is gone and I am not content.
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helenl



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

perhaps you should go back to York again? Although, "you can't go home again" - no, I have no idea where the quotation comes from and I will continue to feel bereft in that regard and will no doubt feel belittled when someone tells me the source Sad
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear heleni,
Cast off your bereftness, but please don't feel belittled - from Thomas Wolfe's novel of that title:

"He saw now that you can't go home again--not ever. There was no road back. Ended for him, with the sharp and clean finality of the closing of a door, was the time of his dark roots, like those of a pot-bound plant, could not be left to feed upon their own substance and nourish their own little self-absorbed designs. Henceforth, they must be spread outward--away from the hidden, secret, and unfathomed past that holds man's spirit prisoner--outward, outward toward the rich and life-giving soil of a new freedom in the wide world of all humanity. And there came to him a vision of man's true home, beyond the ominous and cloud-engulfed horizon of the here and now, in the green and hopeful and still-virgin meadows of the future."

again

"And at the end of it ( his self-appraisal) he knew, and with the knowledge came the definite sense of new direction toward which he had long been groping, that the dark ancestral cae, the womb from which mankind emerged into the light, forever pulls one back--but that you can't go home again.

The phrase had many implications for him. You can't go back to your family, back home to your childhood, back home to romantic love, back home to a young man's dreams of glory and of fame, back home to exile, to escape to Europe and some foreign land, back home to lyricism, to singing just for singing's sake, back home to aestheticism, to one's youthful idea of "the artist" and the ideal."

A much under-appreciated author these days, unfortunately.


Dear Deicide,

Well, what was once can be so again. It's the nature of human life to be a
series of ups and downs. Just don't think the ups last forever - they don't. But then, neither do the downs. It's a roller-coaster. Sit back and try to enjoy the ride, which is usually both frightening and exhilarating - occasionally both at the same time.

Regards,
John
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear heleni,
Cast off your bereftness, but please don't feel belittled - from Thomas Wolfe's novel of that title:

"He saw now that you can't go home again--not ever. There was no road back. Ended for him, with the sharp and clean finality of the closing of a door, was the time of his dark roots, like those of a pot-bound plant, could not be left to feed upon their own substance and nourish their own little self-absorbed designs. Henceforth, they must be spread outward--away from the hidden, secret, and unfathomed past that holds man's spirit prisoner--outward, outward toward the rich and life-giving soil of a new freedom in the wide world of all humanity. And there came to him a vision of man's true home, beyond the ominous and cloud-engulfed horizon of the here and now, in the green and hopeful and still-virgin meadows of the future."

again

"And at the end of it ( his self-appraisal) he knew, and with the knowledge came the definite sense of new direction toward which he had long been groping, that the dark ancestral cae, the womb from which mankind emerged into the light, forever pulls one back--but that you can't go home again.

The phrase had many implications for him. You can't go back to your family, back home to your childhood, back home to romantic love, back home to a young man's dreams of glory and of fame, back home to exile, to escape to Europe and some foreign land, back home to lyricism, to singing just for singing's sake, back home to aestheticism, to one's youthful idea of "the artist" and the ideal."

A much under-appreciated author these days, unfortunately.


Dear Deicide,

Well, what was once can be so again. It's the nature of human life to be a
series of ups and downs. Just don't think the ups last forever - they don't. But then, neither do the downs. It's a roller-coaster. Sit back and try to enjoy the ride, which is usually both frightening and exhilarating - occasionally both at the same time.

Regards,
John


At least until I am 40.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Deicide,

If I'd offed myself at 40, I'd have spent only 2 1/2 years in Saudi (instead of 19), been married only once (and very badly), never gone to Indonesia (lovely place, lovely people), would have still been drinking, and would have never found the content and, yes, happiness that I enjoy today.

Give living a chance - beyond 40.

Regards,
John
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear Deicide,

If I'd offed myself at 40, I'd have spent only 2 1/2 years in Saudi (instead of 19), been married only once (and very badly), never gone to Indonesia (lovely place, lovely people), would have still been drinking, and would have never found the content and, yes, happiness that I enjoy today.

Give living a chance - beyond 40.

Regards,
John


I want children and other things and I don't want to be 80 when my kids are 16 or when I finally find myself...you don't understand that? It is perfectly reasonable within that time frame to set a limit of 40 for myself.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Deicide,

Just out of curiosity, why would you want to bring kids into a world you seem to see as pretty dismal?

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John
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear Deicide,

Just out of curiosity, why would you want to bring kids into a world you seem to see as pretty dismal?

Regards,
John


Only reason we are here is to reproduce; we are just animals after all. We need to propagate our DNA.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Deicide,

Not to be facetious, but just why do we HAVE TO? I haven't (that I'm aware of), and yet I don't consider my life a "failure."

Regards,
John
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