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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found this intriguing article. Justifies bumping up this thread, I hope.

http://teachingbattleground.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/never-forget-learning-styles-are-complete-arse/
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sasha,

It sounds like you haven't read up on that theory (Linguitic Relativity theory and/or Moderate Whorf theory). And no, it's not my pet theory, it's a theory supported by many linguists (you not being one of them). As I said earlier please do the reading, then we can try and discuss it.

Interesting link though. Learning styles do vary a lot, regardless of the research that says they don't. But what else is new; research that supports that something doesn't exist Shocked that our students 'seem to be showing' when they are learning.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at earlier posts here I see that someone says that his native language has no direct word for no. The same is true of Classical Latin - at least the variety I was taught in Scotland from 1959-1964.

"Yes" was "Ita vero" (= That is true) and for a negative you had to make a negative sentence.

I never quite figured out how all those Scottish Dominies knew how Ancient Romans spoke. Those who went to Catholic Schools were perhaps more fortunate. they were taught a variety of Italianate Latin used in modern times as the spoken language of the Vatican !
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Gaijin

I already know quite a bit about the theories you are promoting, so thanks but no thanks for your reading encouragement. However, I am still at a loss as to why you keep diverting this thread back to an area that you feel comfortable with. I'm not interested in discussing that, though. I do, however, find it interesting that 'research' seems only to be valued when it supports one claim, but not the other. What's happening there? Perhaps 'research' has a different cultural connotation?
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also a lot of research supporting learning styles, so it's not a matter of selective support, rather selective comprehension.

I guess a lot of it might depend on how you define learning style.

Many people use a blend of them, but people, and particularly people from particular cultural backgrounds, generally have favored learning styles (this is beginning to sound familiar...).

And no, you don't give me the impression you have read a lot on the other theories I have mentioned, certainly not recent developments. Hardly anything I promote, something that is more at a subconscious level and just surprises me that you haven't thought about it more.

Technically, as I stated before, it doesn't promote the idea of thinking in any language, more that cultural conditions which are generally tied to language (there are exceptions, where people learn languages but don't adopt the culture such as students often do or cases where people never visit the country where the language is used) affect thinking.

Theories evolve, in case you haven't noticed Shocked Confused Cool , whether we want them to or not.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/daniel-willingham/willingham-reading-is-not-a-sk.html

I think Willingham likes to make controversial statements, though his conclusions in the article don't quite match the title of it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly how much condescension is supposed to make me come around to your 'evolved' theories, Gaijin?
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie posted
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Exactly how much condescension is supposed to make me come around to your 'evolved' theories, Gaijin?



Sasha,

You have to hang in there and bring more to the table. For now we can agree to disagree about that. And again, you're giving me too much credit, the theories were spun and improved before I knew about them. 'Evolved' is not quite the adjective I would use, but any good theory of substance does evolve somewhat. That is why often theories are later improved or even partially disproved, like for example Einstein's theory of relativity.


As to Willingham, I notice the titles of articles that include interviews with him always suggest far more than he actually seems to believe. The first you offered includes his comments about people not having a preferred learning style (not as the title suggests, that they aren't any). Their testing to prove this is not so conventional. (the other article actually concludes that reading comprehension is a type of skill, but perhaps not one easily taught)


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Almost immediately, this was leapt on by people who wanted to suggest that if people are smart in different ways, then they must learn in different ways too.


As to intelligences equaling learning styles, that theory was debunked long before the noted author got his hands on it.

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The other model is known by the acronym �VAK� standing for Visual/Auditory/Kinaesthetic. Whereas the MI model resulted in a long list of intelligences/learning styles the VAK model fits on forms and planning sheets more easily by identifying only three styles, those who learn by seeing (V), those who learn by hearing (A) and those who learn by doing (K). While the MI model of learning styles is attributed to a reputable expert (who nevertheless has denounced it) the source of the other model, the VAK model, is never as clearly identified. This is because its origins are in Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP). This fad in psychotherapy has been around since the 1970s and, despite quite a troubled history, has never died out or ceased to make money ever since. However, it is fair to say that it is not widely regarded as having a sound basis in psychological facts.


But he doesn't say that people don't use these styles, but certainly the idea of predictive VAK 'intelligences' is unproven. What I see more useful is acknowledging that students do sometimes have preferred learning styles, and some students do not easily switch to other styles depending on the task. My Japanese students are a case in point; they often use learning styles that might in some cases 'intentionally' lead them to fail. Now if you wish to say this reflects on their intelligence or simply low appreciation for other languages besides their own L1, be my guest. I just know I'll be seeing some of them again and again....

http://www.highlandschools-virtualib.org.uk/ltt/multiple_intelligence/learning_styles.htm

I guess there are some variations of it running around. Oh, but Gardner's idea of multiple intelligences is actually pretty good, just it was misinterpreted by some, though I am not sure why Willingham still thinks that it is still widely misinterpreted.

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All human beings possess all nine intelligences in varying amounts

Each person has a different intellectual composition

We can improve education by addressing the multiple intelligences of our students

These intelligences are located in different areas of the brain and can either work independently or together

In an IQ test, even a genius could gain a low score

The context in which we learn is very important and cultural/environmental factors influence how our intelligences develop

People do not learn in the same way at the same time

There is evidence that MI-based approaches can raise academic achievement




We can see how some of these below relate to learning styles, but they are different.

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Verbal/Linguistic: think in words; like to read and write; like stories; like to play word games

Logical/Mathematical: see patterns easily; like abstract ideas; like strategy games and logical puzzles; work out sums easily in your head

Visual/Spatial: think in images and pictures; easily remember where things have been put; like drawing, designing, building, daydreaming; read maps and diagrams easily

Musical/Rhythmic-auditory: often sing, hum, whistle to self; remember melodies; have a good sense of rhythm; play an instrument; need music on when studying

Bodily/Kinaesthetic: remember through bodily sensations; find it difficult to sit still for long; are good at sports or dance or acting or mime; have excellent coordination; communicate well through gestures; learn best through physical activity, simulation and role play

Interpersonal: understand people well; learn best by interacting and cooperating with others; are good at leading and organising; pick up on other people�s feelings; enjoy playing social games

Intrapersonal/Reflective: like to work alone; are self-motivated; are intuitive; are self-confident; are aware of personal strengths and weaknesses

Naturalistic: make distinctions and recognise patterns in the natural world; are curious about plants and animals; are concerned for the ecology/environment

Existential: reflect on the meaning of life; ask questions about death; think about how we got here
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