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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
Actually, they took a lot from the class, and one word isn't much, but ask yourself; How many classes do you give when you feel that the students know no more when they leave than when they entered?

This is exactly what I got sick of and what prompted me to use tidbits of Spanish and focus more on real language/repetition. I couldn't believe how much time I was wasting explaining things that students didn't (want to) understand. And how much time I was wasting on activities that didn't lead to any kind of fluency such as gapfills, listening in an unnatural way, drowsiness inducing grammar exercises, cutting up bits of paper etc.
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jaimem-g



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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: This loooong thread Reply with quote

Excuse a first time poster from butting in on this very interesting thread. I have a friend who has been showing me the applied linguistics and some other forums on ESL Cafe and found them to be dominated by teachers from China and other Asian countries and somewhat boring. One of the most recent points made by mejms really struck a chord with me - that Mexicans experience different problems in learning English than learners from other backgrounds and this merits attention in our teaching.

I am just retiring from teaching ESL in the US for quite a few years and we engage in many of the same discussions here. I don't want to presume on telling you how to teach in Mexico, 'cause you guys are actually doing it now. The last time I actually worked in Mexico was back in the mid 1960's in Veracruz. We used an old textbook by Robert Dixon that the students bought at the local bookstore. I remember not understanding why the students kept pronouncing girI as "hell". (To me this was not just a curveball - it was a screwball!) Later as I began to decipher the pronunciation key, I discovered that it was supposed to be British pronuciation. Wink

Was I unprepared! Later when I was back in the US taking teacher preparation classes, my professor of philosophy of education class said something very memorable, "Always be ecclectic". This and the other two related threads gave me a good ecclectic sampling of the state of teaching EFL in Mexico and it made a very favorable impression on me.

It makes me want to get involved in some real teaching in EFL very soon if someone will have me. My friend is going to be working on a short term volunteer job this summer with a group of 20 Mexican teachers who are working with children who are moving back to Mexico from the US, but I'm interested in something more long term. At any rate, I hope to join the conversation with you as I look for a new job.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Later when I was back in the US taking teacher preparation classes, my professor of philosophy of education class said something very memorable, "Always be ecclectic".


When prospective students ask what method I use to teach, I tell them "the eclectic method" or "whatever works" I�m glad to know that your professor and I have been on the same wave length for years!
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isla Guapa wrote:
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Later when I was back in the US taking teacher preparation classes, my professor of philosophy of education class said something very memorable, "Always be ecclectic".


When prospective students ask what method I use to teach, I tell them "the eclectic method" or "whatever works" I�m glad to know that your professor and I have been on the same wave length for years!


Hooray! Never having taken any CELTA, DELTA, SCHMELTA (How can there be so many ways of wasting your money learning the same thing?), and being somewhat of an entrepreneurial type, I take the view that the best way to learn something is by doing it. Sure, you will make mistakes along the way, but isn't that how we learnt to walk, talk, feed ourselves, etc?

Certificates and training are all very well, and can help you get your foot in the door, but reputation for actually doing a good job is worth even more.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never taken any TEFL training courses, but I do have a B.S.ed. with a Spanish major, which included training in teaching Spanish to English- speakers. When I went abroad and started teaching English to Spanish-speakers, I found that I could apply most of what I'd learned by simply "reversing the process", so to speak. And, of course, the coursework for my B.S. included a lot of comparative studies of English and Spanish phonetics, grammar and so on. Over the years (I got my B.S. in 1967), a multitude of new theories and practices about the "best way" to teach English have come into and out of vogue. Some of it I've found useful, some of it not so much the case, but out of all of these recent and "ancient" methodologies, I've developed my own eclectic TEFL style.
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mejms



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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've developed my own eclectic TEFL style


Isla Guapa, could you sum up your philosophy? I know it's not easy to do so. After all, it's developed from years of experience. But that's what I've been trying to ask from the get-go. What do people actually do in their classes? Not a play by play script, but in terms of materials, objectives, syllabus, philosophy.

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This is exactly what I got sick of and what prompted me to use tidbits of Spanish and focus more on real language/repetition. I couldn't believe how much time I was wasting explaining things that students didn't (want to) understand. And how much time I was wasting on activities that didn't lead to any kind of fluency such as gapfills, listening in an unnatural way, drowsiness inducing grammar exercises, cutting up bits of paper etc.


TLWH, I agree that all those neat little materials don't do a lot in terms of real language development. Things just don't stick. So what do you do now? All you said before is that you point out that actual is current and then do some activities. How do you make your activities more conversational and repititious than other activities? What do you do?

Sure, this is a wide open and big question, but if anything is worth writing extensively about on this site, it should be this. It's what we do every day.
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