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MotherF
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:42 am Post subject: |
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You might even find a university job teaching English AND French. |
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EFLeducator

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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:01 am Post subject: |
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You might even find a university job teaching English AND French. |
Very doubtful. |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:15 am Post subject: |
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EFLeducator wrote: |
MotherF wrote: |
You might even find a university job teaching English AND French. |
Very doubtful. |
Care to offer your personal experience in trying for such a job?
UNAM is possible for this at the University level...I have a Dutch friend doing exactly this at UNAM. La Salle is another possibility at the secondary level, focused mainly on French. |
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MotherF
Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1450 Location: 17�48'N 97�46'W
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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La Salle is rapidly expanding around the country, we just got our first class of graduates from their prepa in Oaxaca this fall. They took English for 3 hours a day and French for one hour a day, most tested into our top two levels.
Many universities require their tourism students to take French as well as English. Most modern language majors have to take two languages English and their choice of other, most I've met tell me they did French. (And I've met quite a few since they tend to end up as high school English teachers and we do annual in-service training for such people.) My two colleagues who speak French are often asked to give classes.
Then there is translation (I'm jumping to the conclusion that you do French-English as your translation.) It would be attractive to a university to have a person capable of doing translation involving French. The institution where I work has a journal which the articles are Spanish, but the abstracts are published in English, Spanish and French. We currently outsource the French translation to our sister school UMAR which teaches French (to it's tourism students). |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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I can easily imagine contexts in which being multi-lingual would be an asset, and make a person more marketable.
It may be that universities in Mexico are beginning to look outward, to a greater degree: ours offers classes in French, Portuguese, Italian, and Japanese. These are non credit courses, taught for the most part by part-timers, but there is ample student interest, and the trend seems established.
A corollary is that there is rising interest in not just learning English, but mastering it, with a growing number of students requesting higher level studies.
I suspect all of this is a result of a direct push from the highest levels of government to improve education in Mexico. Apparently a great deal of money has been made available to good, Mexican university students for study abroad, and the students seem to be looking everywhere for appropriate ways to take advantage of this. I had one yesterday tell me they were studying French, with the goal of taking a masters degree, at a French university, which conducts its courses in English for those with plans to pursue international careers.
I don't know where all this is leading, but it seems thoroughly positive to me. |
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Iceman33
Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Posts: 91
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:00 am Post subject: |
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EFLeducator wrote: |
MotherF wrote: |
You might even find a university job teaching English AND French. |
Very doubtful. |
I don't know about Mexico, but I can teach French at the university level in the US (undergraduate level); however, I cannot teach be an ESL in one there (you need at least a Bachelor's in TESOL, I believe).
I was about to apply for a job in Japan where they wanted an instructor to teach both French and English (met the qualifications). It was at a language school, however, not a university.
Interestingly, I came across a very high-paying EFL job in the Middle East where the basic requirement was a Master's degree in any field of linguistics (no preference mentioned for an MA in TESOL). Having just a Celta or even a Bachelor's in TESOL would have made you unqualified for the job. So that just goes to show you how different qualifications for a EFL job can be from country to country (I'm not interested in going to the Middle East).
There is one corner of the world, though, where I am very unqualified to teach EFL: Western Europe. |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:14 am Post subject: |
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In our university, people used to get hired without Bachelor's of any kind (most of our teachers are Mexican Nationals): now, everybody is scrambling to get Master's degrees in teaching the English Language. The PhD push will come later, I'm sure- it's already hit other departments.
I think this pressure is coming from the highest levels of SEP, nationally. |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Tretyakovskii wrote: |
In our university, people used to get hired without Bachelor's of any kind (most of our teachers are Mexican Nationals): now, everybody is scrambling to get Master's degrees in teaching the English Language. The PhD push will come later, I'm sure- it's already hit other departments.
I think this pressure is coming from the highest levels of SEP, nationally. |
Hopefully teachers will be able to improve their level of English with all those shiny new Master's and PhD's  |
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Gregory.
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 39 Location: Mexico City / Tlaquepaque
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully teachers will be able to improve their level of English with all those shiny new Master's and PhD's |
IMHO, teachers level of English really isn't such a big problem these days.
The two big problems are the failure of teachers to lesson plan effectively and a lack of follow up by co-ordinators.
Deal with these two things and English teaching would be taken to another, new level. |
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Enchilada Potosina

Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Posts: 344 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Gregory. wrote: |
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Hopefully teachers will be able to improve their level of English with all those shiny new Master's and PhD's |
IMHO, teachers level of English really isn't such a big problem these days. |
My god, it's worse than I thought then.
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The two big problems are the failure of teachers to lesson plan effectively and a lack of follow up by co-ordinators. |
Teachers are too busy worring about where their next meal is coming from, how many hours they'll get, whether they'll be able to make rent etc. Actually teaching the class is the least of their worries... don't even mention the planning. As for the (usually Mexican) coordinator, they don't give a monkeys about the teachers, can't even understand them and are too busy basking in the reward of all the palm greasing they did to get that elusive full time job.
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Deal with these two things and English teaching would be taken to another, new level. |
Well, it probably can't go any lower... or can it? |
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the peanut gallery
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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After reading the last two posts i felt like Gregory sold me an awesome vacation to Florida. Upon my arrival EP ruined everything with the reality that i had volunteered for a week of time share sales presentations.
I wonder what percentage of schools pay teachers for lesson planning hours outside of the classroom?
Fair compensation for fair work. Now THAT would be taking TEFL to a new level. |
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EFLeducator

Joined: 16 Dec 2011 Posts: 595 Location: NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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the peanut gallery wrote: |
After reading the last two posts i felt like Gregory sold me an awesome vacation to Florida. Upon my arrival EP ruined everything with the reality that i had volunteered for a week of time share sales presentations. |
the peanut gallery wrote: |
I wonder what percentage of schools pay teachers for lesson planning hours outside of the classroom? |
I would think that it is safe to say NONE. That is unheard of in the world of TEFLing AND education. If the salaries were decent enough, OK take the work home but since TEFLing in Mexico City pays starvation wages...
the peanut gallery wrote: |
Fair compensation for fair work. Now THAT would be taking TEFL to a new level. |
Right! |
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EFLeducator

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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
Teachers are too busy worring about where their next meal is coming from, how many hours they'll get, whether they'll be able to make rent etc. |
Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
As for the (usually Mexican) coordinator, they don't give a monkeys about the teachers, can't even understand them and are too busy basking in the reward of all the palm greasing they did to get that elusive full time job. |
I could not have said it better myself, EP.
Gregory. wrote: |
Deal with these two things and English teaching would be taken to another, new level. |
Right! |
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Enchilada Potosina

Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Posts: 344 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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the peanut gallery wrote: |
After reading the last two posts i felt like Gregory sold me an awesome vacation to Florida. Upon my arrival EP ruined everything with the reality that i had volunteered for a week of time share sales presentations. |
apologies to the peanut gallery, and although I admire Greg's brand of unrelenting tefl optimism, it is somewhat lacking in the reality department.
As the coordinator of an infamous SLP school once told me, 'planning time is included in the hourly rate... (that you couldn't buy more than 20 bolillos with)' which begs the question, what's the hourly rate if I don't plan? |
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MotherF
Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1450 Location: 17�48'N 97�46'W
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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EFLeducator wrote: |
the peanut gallery wrote: |
I wonder what percentage of schools pay teachers for lesson planning hours outside of the classroom? |
I would think that it is safe to say NONE. That is unheard of in the world of TEFLing AND education. If the salaries were decent enough, OK take the work home but since TEFLing in Mexico City pays starvation wages...
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I'm paid for planning time. I guess you could also say I'm paid for ESL Cafe time...
But then I don't work for a language institute and I don't work in el defectoso. |
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