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Transitive or intransitive?
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"IIRC - If I Recall Correctly. Especially common to be used when trying to cover up a vague guess, or when you are truly befuddled and trying to recall a fact of some sort."

Regards,
John (IIRC)
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sasha wrote:
I, FluffyH wrote:
Better their contents splishing to soaken the floor than glugging to unparchen your booze tube.

Arrrrggghhh!!! Sacrilege! What sort of thing is that for a TEFLer to say?!

Its sort of kinding thing that the TEFLer liking me to who it's native language too being foreign say! Simples!
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer my IIRC to any other. Far more in line with Party policy.

Hic!

Fluffy, I think you should visit Moscow for a cultural expedition, hic!
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought I'd bung this one in here.

From the comments on an article in today's Guardian (my bold):

Quote:
First question - What is the purpose of the current GCSE's and A-Levels?

Second question - Are the current exams fit for that purpose?

Only once both of those questions are answered can we have any hope of progressing this.

( http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/16736710 )

Shortened, that is basically "can we progress this".

One for the peevers, or worthy of condemnation? (It could do with a preposition before the 'this', right?).
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear fluffyhamster,

Since the verb "progress" is intransitive, it follows that the gerund "progressing" cannot have a direct object.

You could add a preposition, but why not just switch, thusly:

"Only once both of those questions are answered can we have any hope of this progressing."

Regards,
John
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys are having FAR too much fun with grammar here!! Very Happy Cool
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear spiral78,

Yeah, we're just wild and crazy grammar nerds.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/miles-kington/an-addiction-to-grammar-651749.html

Regards,
John Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

May I say what an elegant analysis that was, Professor Johnslat, notwithstanding Professor Spiral's reservations. Returning however to the perennial issue of gerundial versus participial analyses of online comments, regarding "Do we have any hope of progressing this", that's your mum, that is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UMedd03JCA
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear fluffyhamster,

Bananas have a peel Very Happy.

Here's another link:

http://bridgebuzz.bridgeny.com/2011/01/04/its-bad-grammar-who-cares-vs-the-grammar-police/

Regards,
John
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget History Today, my money's on this new mudpit bout:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jun/24/battle-of-the-professors
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluffyhamster, in response to a Guardian quote wrote:

One for the peevers, or worthy of condemnation?


Who here agrees that journalism's gone to the dogs in terms of linguistic integrity? I notice at least a mistake per article in one of Canada's national newspapers.

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BTW, Re: Trans or Intrans

(How) Do those of you who teach uppr int/adv introduce trans/intrans (phrasal) verbs? I'm currently working with a number of pre-int students and want to give them pair practice switching between phrasal verbs (for both trans/intrans) and their singular verb (or multi-word) counterpart.
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