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FelixHalson
Joined: 22 Aug 2013
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 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
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| Riff Raff wrote: |
His story is possible, and I tend to believe it. He claims some paperwork was mishandled, and he got put through the ringer for it. China has an unfortunate history of wild situations.
His writing didn't feel like an American. His story is extreme. He can put proof online and post links. Otherwise, I'm not going to read on. |
I have only just seen this thread and it's been interesting reading all the responses, especially those ferociously doubting the veracity of the OP's account.
For what it's worth, given that there seems to be a large amount of debate surrounding the issue, I know (knew?) the OP and can confirm that the events he has posted about did happen and that this wasn't simply scaremongering on his part. I guess my meagre post count won't help people believe me any more than they do his tale, but I created my account some time ago, so it's not as if I have suddenly registered just to support the OP.
Hope this helps! |
Most trolls acquire many accounts at once. How can you validate his prison experience, where you there? After jail the only thing my father said is don't talk about it and don't go there.
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Are you trying to say that your father's experiences and subsequent refusal to talk about it should apply to everybody?
No, I knew him from 'outside'  . I don't know what happened when he was in jail (save what he has said), but that wasn't really the point of my post. I knew him, I know he went to jail and that it was a result of 'improper documentation'. I saw that he had posted here and that there seemed to be a lot of people doubting his story, or straight up calling him a liar. I posted my support.
If you want to think I'm a 'troll' or similar, that's ok. I don't post much here anyway and I'm not going to get into an argument about it, but it might help someone. |
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toteach
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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The PSB will issue you a (free) temporary passport when they're processing your residency permit, if you want. They offered me this when I went to see them last week. I refused, as I'm not planning to travel anywhere in the next week or so. I carry photocopies of my passport with me anyway, just in case.
I've never been asked by anyone on the street to show my passport. |
Really?! Not having a passport for a week or so is what is deterring me from letting the school apply for my RP before our upcoming 3-day weekend in mid-September.
Do you happen to have the Chinese characters for "free temporary passport," so I can show the administrative office? (No official FAO in this school--just a bunch of overworked administrative assistants who don't know which end is up). |
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The_Kong
Joined: 15 Apr 2014
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| 3701 W.119th wrote: |
The PSB will issue you a (free) temporary passport when they're processing your residency permit, if you want. They offered me this when I went to see them last week. I refused, as I'm not planning to travel anywhere in the next week or so. I carry photocopies of my passport with me anyway, just in case.
I've never been asked by anyone on the street to show my passport. |
Really?! Not having a passport for a week or so is what is deterring me from letting the school apply for my RP before our upcoming 3-day weekend in mid-September.
Do you happen to have the Chinese characters for "free temporary passport," so I can show the administrative office? (No official FAO in this school--just a bunch of overworked administrative assistants who don't know which end is up). |
It's not a free temporary passport, it's an official receipt that shows the PSB has your passport and can be used in lieu of your passport since you don't have any other ID that is valid in China.
I'll see if I can find a picture of one online but the translation of the title is something like "Foreigner Temporary Residence Permit Receipt"
Anything you can do with a passport you can do with the receipt, in theory. I've only ever heard of one person getting turned away from a hotel because he only had the receipt and they didn't know if he was legally allowed to stay there. In that case he had to go to a hotel down the street and that place had no problem with the receipt. |
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Piper2
Joined: 13 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| The_Kong wrote: |
It's not a free temporary passport, it's an official receipt that shows the PSB has your passport and can be used in lieu of your passport since you don't have any other ID that is valid in China.
I'll see if I can find a picture of one online but the translation of the title is something like "Foreigner Temporary Residence Permit Receipt"
Anything you can do with a passport you can do with the receipt, in theory. I've only ever heard of one person getting turned away from a hotel because he only had the receipt and they didn't know if he was legally allowed to stay there. In that case he had to go to a hotel down the street and that place had no problem with the receipt. |
Yes, it is the receipt the Entry Exit Bureau issues which is needed to pick up your passport with the new RP/visa. Now they print your photo on it.
You can use the receipt as ID within China. I have used it when ID was checked before boarding a train and when checking into larger hotels. I have heard that it can be used for domestic flights, I would confirm that before buying tickets though.
Not sure what your Embassy would make of it and cannot see anyone exiting China on it.
Edit...forgot to add that the FEC is a form of ID, yes? And FTs of certain nationalities could have national ID cards that might be recognised. |
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Alien abductee
Joined: 08 Jun 2014
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Location: Kuala Lumpur
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Beyond using that PSB receipt to get into a hotel, book a train ticket, or as a way of IDing your corpse, I can't see it being used for much else. |
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toteach
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Beyond using that PSB receipt to get into a hotel, book a train ticket, or as a way of IDing your corpse, I can't see it being used for much else. |
Corpse identification wasn't a consideration, as I was only hoping to check into a hotel. But thanks so much for putting that into my mind... (Kinda like the only reason to wear a helmet in Thailand is so they can identify your body when you're killed in the inevitable motorcycle accident?)
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OnTheRun
Joined: 06 Aug 2014
Posts: 27
Location: Chicago, USA
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| FelixHalson wrote: |
| wangdaning wrote: |
| FelixHalson wrote: |
| Riff Raff wrote: |
His story is possible, and I tend to believe it. He claims some paperwork was mishandled, and he got put through the ringer for it. China has an unfortunate history of wild situations.
His writing didn't feel like an American. His story is extreme. He can put proof online and post links. Otherwise, I'm not going to read on. |
I have only just seen this thread and it's been interesting reading all the responses, especially those ferociously doubting the veracity of the OP's account.
For what it's worth, given that there seems to be a large amount of debate surrounding the issue, I know (knew?) the OP and can confirm that the events he has posted about did happen and that this wasn't simply scaremongering on his part. I guess my meagre post count won't help people believe me any more than they do his tale, but I created my account some time ago, so it's not as if I have suddenly registered just to support the OP.
Hope this helps! |
Most trolls acquire many accounts at once. How can you validate his prison experience, where you there? After jail the only thing my father said is don't talk about it and don't go there.
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Are you trying to say that your father's experiences and subsequent refusal to talk about it should apply to everybody?
No, I knew him from 'outside' . I don't know what happened when he was in jail (save what he has said), but that wasn't really the point of my post. I knew him, I know he went to jail and that it was a result of 'improper documentation'. I saw that he had posted here and that there seemed to be a lot of people doubting his story, or straight up calling him a liar. I posted my support.
If you want to think I'm a 'troll' or similar, that's ok. I don't post much here anyway and I'm not going to get into an argument about it, but it might help someone. |
Wang,
In any case, if you step back for a moment, take a deep breath and slowly put 2 and 2 together, I am sure the answer to your question will come to the fore...
This is an ESL forum for _________ teachers. Felix is/has been posting messages in this (once again) forum for __________ teachers. If you recall, I was (very) recently employed as a _________ teacher at a particular institution for higher learning in ___________. Felix not only stated that he knew me, but he knew for a fact that what I posted was true. I don’t think think you have to be a rocket scientist to figure this little riddle out....
(Although, I have to admit I was more than just a little surprised when I discovered the 'ironic' answer to this riddle myself...) |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| OnTheRun wrote: |
Felix not only stated that he knew me, but he knew for a fact that what I posted was true. I don’t think think you have to be a rocket scientist to figure this little riddle out....
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No, after I asked if he really knew for a fact, he said that is what you told him. To know for a fact means he was there, he is just telling us what you said is true because he knows you and believes you, or quite possibly is you.
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| I don't know what happened when he was in jail (save what he has said) |
In fact he doesn't know for a fact you were in jail. It was a secret location with no official charges if I remember correctly. The documents are missing. Only facts you say you can show are you were in China and deported. By your own admission you were deported for working illegally.
The answer can't be English as you said you were recently employed as a _______ teacher. How that riddle got past you I have no clue. What kind of teacher were you. |
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OnTheRun
Joined: 06 Aug 2014
Posts: 27
Location: Chicago, USA
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
| OnTheRun wrote: |
Felix not only stated that he knew me, but he knew for a fact that what I posted was true. I don’t think think you have to be a rocket scientist to figure this little riddle out....
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No, after I asked if he really knew for a fact, he said that is what you told him. To know for a fact means he was there, he is just telling us what you said is true because he knows you and believes you, or quite possibly is you.
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| I don't know what happened when he was in jail (save what he has said) |
In fact he doesn't know for a fact you were in jail. It was a secret location with no official charges if I remember correctly. The documents are missing. Only facts you say you can show are you were in China and deported. By your own admission you were deported for working illegally.
The answer can't be English as you said you were recently employed as a _______ teacher. How that riddle got past you I have no clue. What kind of teacher were you. |
Hmmmmm......
I see you are another individual who takes pains....
But once again I shall be patient, out of respect for the gravity of the subject matter....
Felix said:
| FelixHalson wrote: |
For what it's worth, given that there seems to be a large amount of debate surrounding the issue, I know (knew?) the OP and can confirm that the events he has posted about did happen and that this wasn't simply scaremongering on his part.! |
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No, I knew him from 'outside' . I don't know what happened when he was in jail (save what he has said), but that wasn't really the point of my post. I knew him, I know he went to jail and that it was a result of 'improper documentation'. I saw that he had posted here and that there seemed to be a lot of people doubting his story, or straight up calling him a liar. I posted my support.
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Now, in the future please be honest (more careful) with your quotes, direct or indirect for, if you are not they become misquotes....
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| wangdaning wrote: |
By your own admission you were deported for working illegally.
The answer can't be English as you said you were recently employed as a _______ teacher. How that riddle got past you I have no clue. What kind of teacher were you. |
If you slowly re-read through the original post and the replies that follow you will
1) perhaps see that there was something(s) you missed...
2) perhaps see that this may be due to your unwillingness to entertain ideas that conflict with your ideas and/or your fathers....
3) perhaps see that your chances of becoming a rocket scientist are becoming slimmer and slimmer by the day..... |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:56 am Post subject: |
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You can mince words all you want. I never misquoted anyone. You said he knew for a fact and he said he could confirm. I am not sure how this can be true. To put it bluntly, it is a lie. He only knows what you told him, and that is if their is a him.
I am not missing anything, failed documentation means not legal to work = working illegally. You blame the school I get it, and obviously not an organized organization, but the pains of keeping this story up.
If I wanted to be a rocket scientist I would not be here teaching, and I would have majored in engineering. Almost went into the nuclear engineering field, but gave it a pass. If you are trying to call me stupid, well, I am not asking people to believe this or disbelieve this, I am just skeptical. You want people to jump through hoops to believe your story, that is pretty presumptuous.
Finally, my father really has nothing to do with this, can't really as he has been dead for 14 years, and I am sorry for bringing it up. As far as me being unwilling to entertain new ideas, no I do not ask them over for dinner. I am, however, open to new lines of reasoning if they are reasonable. |
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kungfuman
Joined: 31 May 2012
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Location: In My Own Private Idaho
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| OTR how did you acquire the plan ticket home? Did the US Consulate arrange and pay for it? |
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OnTheRun
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Location: Chicago, USA
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| OTR how did you acquire the plan ticket home? Did the US Consulate arrange and pay for it? |
Mr. KungFu,
Just before lunch on either the sixth, or seventh day of my stay at the prison, the other American inmate and I were escorted to a small meeting room located inside the left wall of the entrance to the prison. There was a young lady from the US embassy sitting on a sofa inside. She greeted us, asked as to how we were doing/holding up and then briefed us as to what our situation was. The main point of the briefing was that we (The other American and myself) both had already finished our sentence(s) and that we would be released as soon as the airplane tickets back to the US were organized. She then collected phone numbers of family members/friends who we thought would be willing to pay for a plane ticket...
In the end, I decided against contacting my family as I did not really want to raise anyone’s blood pressure back home, and to some degree I felt a little shame/embarrassment about the whole matter. So I had her contact a friend up in Dalian first, and it worked out. I got the ticket three days later...
One last thing, as far as I understand it is possible to have emigration organize your ticket. However, this seems to only occur if either your embassy does not want to get involved, or prior to your embassy getting involved. However, in this case you must have the cash on hand to purchase the ticket yourself.... |
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kungfuman
Joined: 31 May 2012
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Location: In My Own Private Idaho
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Another question if I may.
Were you allowed to collect your belongings and did they take your money from your pocket or bank account? |
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likwid_777
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| kungfuman wrote: |
Another question if I may.
Were you allowed to collect your belongings and did they take your money from your pocket or bank account? |
| OnTheRun wrote: |
| The main point of the briefing was that we (The other American and myself) both had already finished our sentence(s) and that we would be released as soon as the airplane tickets back to the US were organized. She then collected phone numbers of family members/friends who we thought would be willing to pay for a plane ticket... |
My guess is that OP didn't have the cash, and relatives were contacted, as per above. Those relatives and/or friends then gave their money to the embassy, who then organised the ticket, or at least the handing of ticket over after payment. Could be wrong. |
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OnTheRun
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Another question if I may.
Were you allowed to collect your belongings and did they take your money from your pocket or bank account? |
You have raised a very important point...
When the police, initially visited I was not at home. I only learned of their visit, by way of phone messages from my supervisor. Of course, had I known that something more than a simple fine, or at worst a deportation was in store for me, I would have fled, but I thought I had China all figured out....
The second time the police came by, I was at home and they interviewed me and I assumed that that was the end of matters. The third time they visited, they took me first to their police station in Haidian district, then to a municipal courthouse and finally to prison...
Anyway, after learning of the first visit I had began to pack my belongings. So, when I did find myself being asked to come down to the station I was already packed. However, the police assured me that there was no need to bring my luggage as I would be back home that evening...
Now, as I mentioned before on arrival at the prison you are given a uniform to wear. After you change clothing you are taken to a room where your clothing and belongings are stored. This room also has a safe. If you so decide, you can place your valuables (phones, money, etc) inside the safe. As I was a bit combative when I was brought in, I was not informed of this option. So, I left both my cell phone and pocket money (700RMB) inside my luggage. Lucky, it was all there (for the most part*) when I was set free.
Last, but not least while I was waiting at the airport (along with my official escorts) for my plane to depart I was allowed to use a nearby ATM machine. I was relieved to discover that my bank account had not been raided by the authorities....
(*Initially I could not find my cell phone in my belongings, and I assumed that someone at the prison had stolen it, however after I arrived back in the States and unpacked I discovered it at the bottom of my knapsack. However, just a few days ago it was "lifted" out of my car as I was waiting at a traffic signal.) |
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