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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Now, seeing as we are fixated on teaching young learners, how do you go about developing motor skills for the little nippers?


If you had ever taught in SE Asia you wouldn't ask that question.

You just completely fail to comprehend what's going on here don't you?

The variety and complexity of the job market.

There is no magic cert. A TEFL to teach adults is patently stupid when one hasn't even figured out how to get a job here. You are so far far from having even the remotest clue about working in VN.

How can you keep embarrassing yourself?

Seriously guy.

Why don't you just randomly post all over the board what various posters ate for breakfast? You are not even ballpark'n it guy.

LOL With that I am signing off. I just can't take you seriously anymore.

Just prove it smart guy. What a joke!
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's the online course here for TEFL pedagogy? I only see one for English grammar - and that doesn't even count towards a further course in linguistics.

So, what was patently false about my statement? Perhaps if you spent time listening to your betters instead of arguing with them, you'd understand that nobody is really lying to you. They just have more solid information about teacher training than you appear to do.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VietCanada wrote:
Sashadroogie wrote:
Now, seeing as we are fixated on teaching young learners, how do you go about developing motor skills for the little nippers?


If you had ever taught in SE Asia you wouldn't ask that question.

You just completely fail to comprehend what's going on here don't you?

The variety and complexity of the job market.

There is no magic cert. A TEFL to teach adults is patently stupid when one hasn't even figured out how to get a job here. You are so far far from having even the remotest clue about working in VN.

How can you keep embarrassing yourself?

Seriously guy.

Why don't you just randomly post all over the board what various posters ate for breakfast? You are not even ballpark'n it guy.

LOL With that I am signing off. I just can't take you seriously anymore.

Just prove it smart guy. What a joke!


Actually, I'd venture to say that I am much more familiar with the pedagogical issues involved in teaching English to YL classes than you seem to be. What I have asked about is a perfectly standard facet of EFL YL classes. In case you didn't get that from your cheap online cert...
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VietCanada wrote:


If you believed in Google or searching the net generally you might have saved yourself this month long schooling.


I have to admit to being blown away by the level of self-deception displayed in the above quotation. Could anybody possibly utter this and also genuinely believe it?
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
VietCanada wrote:


If you believed in Google or searching the net generally you might have saved yourself this month long schooling.


I have to admit to being blown away by the level of self-deception displayed in the above quotation. Could anybody possibly utter this and also genuinely believe it?


I'm still waiting for you to prove that you are not a liar. Or at least prove anything that you have claimed on this board about people who choose to teach in SE Asia or choose to teach children.

Here's a couple posts refuting you:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=101982

If you understand why Barney and Sesame Street work then you understand why a CELTA doesn't work (beyond doing lesson planning) in a YL setting.

If you don't then stick to big kids or adults.

A 3 year old is NOT 1/2 of a 6 year old is NOT 1/2 of a 12 year old is NOT 1/2 of a 24 year old.

Beyond that, at young to very young ages they are not learning "EFL/ESL" they are simply "learning language" through natural acquisition (their linguistic skills are not well developed in any language yet).

Grammar is the old lady who lives across town (ie: your mother's mother).

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=101982

i have a celta and have taught kids.
aside from lesson planning and getting comfortable with games, the celta doesn't help a lot withkids.


Your turn.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, VC - two posts from 2013. It took you a while to find someone out there who would agree with you, even partially!! No-one in 2015 has....and the two you cite claim the CELTA helped them with lesson planning, so it wasn't useless, according to them.

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still, at least he's getting good value out of those quotations. Well spammed all over several threads. Pity they didn't prove anything...
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Still, at least he's getting good value out of those quotations. Well spammed all over several threads. Pity they didn't prove anything...



You said everyone disagrees with me, well here's proof that a couple years ago nobody agreed with you.

I've already linked to recent threads where no one agrees with you..

Here I demonstrate that nobody has ever agreed with you.

So where's your proof that everybody in Vietnam disagrees with me?

Since I've asked that question repeatedly and not got an answer the reader can draw their own obvious conclusions.

But you go girls!
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They didn't disagree with ME! Nor did they refer to my posts as... what was it again...? horses**t, I seem to recall.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again with the twisting. Nobody on the threads discussing quals in Vietnam - nobody there agrees with you. Cannot speak for the entirety of the country.
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Again with the twisting. Nobody on the threads discussing quals in Vietnam - nobody there agrees with you. Cannot speak for the entirety of the country.


Prove it.

I've posted links and posts that disagree with your position and agree with mine.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=111205&start=120

Here's a good place for you to start. Perhaps you have forgotten the reaction of the other posters on this thread? Here's something that might jog your memory:

"Your bullheaded insistence that the Celta is only for adults is just one a several instances where you display your ignorance on the matter. If you would stop being stubborn and held a teachable attitude yoy could actually improve yourself.

You likely have a lot of experience with life in Vietnam which could be useful to others, but you sort of discredit yourself as a source of reliable information to anyone who reads the nonsense you spout in these threads."
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another:

"You're in your 50s and still teaching brats with a tefl cert worth less than toilet paper at multiple places, which takes away your right to be listened to I am afraid.

Time for a different career perhaps? They need toilet cleaners in Burger King I heard; you have the right piece of paper for that job at least."
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not going to regurgitate all the comments that other posters have written pointing out how much they disagree with you, though. Sorry about that.
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Sashadroogie"]I'm not going to regurgitate all the comments that other posters have written pointing out how much they disagree with you, though. Sorry about that.[/quote

You can't because no one has.

You fail.

The same poster posting a couple of personal attacks is not a refutation of anything I have said. They are just personal attacks and I've reported them both as such.

You still fail.


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