View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
sammysez
Joined: 20 Nov 2016 Posts: 119
|
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Do others get tired of the off-topic, off hand comments or the putdowns? That are not relevant to anything on the topic board being discussed? that only detract from what's being said? People that never made it as a stand-up comedian and for obvious reasons?
People that "think," "seems like," "could be," yet, never seem to actually "know."
It really takes away from the boards and you have to search for what the topic really is or was. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
|
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:45 am Post subject: Re: KFPMU |
|
|
sammysez wrote: |
Just odd there seems to be so much turnover and so many comments on here. Of course, I've seen good ones too. |
I would say that KFUPM has a very low turnover and I would estimate that it probably has the highest number of positive comments of any Saudi employer here on Dave's.
In fact about the only consistent negative that I have seen over many years is that the pay is lower than many of the military and petroleum related positions.
VS |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
bigdurian
Joined: 05 Feb 2014 Posts: 401 Location: Flashing my lights right behind you!
|
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:14 am Post subject: Re: KFPMU |
|
|
veiledsentiments wrote: |
sammysez wrote: |
Just odd there seems to be so much turnover and so many comments on here. Of course, I've seen good ones too. |
I would say that KFUPM has a very low turnover and I would estimate that it probably has the highest number of positive comments of any Saudi employer here on Dave's.
In fact about the only consistent negative that I have seen over many years is that the pay is lower than many of the military and petroleum related positions.
VS |
But on the other hand, the vast majority of those posts are from one person in particular who no longer works there, and left the Kingdom some time ago.
Shouldn't be too long before he appears....... |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
|
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:09 am Post subject: It's KFUPM, not KFPMU |
|
|
sammysez wrote: |
Do others get tired of the off-topic, off hand comments or the putdowns? That are not relevant to anything on the topic board being discussed? that only detract from what's being said? People that never made it as a stand-up comedian and for obvious reasons?
....
It really takes away from the boards and you have to search for what the topic really is or was. |
No one is trying to be funny. For some reason, you've referred to "KFPMU" twice in this thread despite being informed that's incorrect. No such university exists in Saudi Arabia. However, some posters unfamiliar with teaching in KSA may believe otherwise and end up doing a futile search for KFPMU.
Anyway, KFUPM is the correct acronym for King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals. It's been mentioned throughout this forum if you do a search. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
|
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
Hic lupus in fabula
All I can say now is that KFUPM has gone downhill since I left. This may be a coincidence or it may be because they depended on my charm, competence, wit and repartee to keep functioning.
As for the place referred to by Sammysez, I have no knowledge of it. (KFPMU)
Now 70 - I left KSA 6 years ago.
Last edited by scot47 on Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:08 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
siologen

Joined: 25 Oct 2016 Posts: 336
|
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:47 am Post subject: re: well played! |
|
|
Quote: |
Now 70 - I left KSA 6 years ago. |
I wonder if you miss it, but I would wager you do not!
A lot never make it out, or if they do, with bad cases of burnout. Have seen this happen with some ex saudi FT's when I was in Oman, and really bad to see. At least you got out and retired, and that is good! |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
bigdurian
Joined: 05 Feb 2014 Posts: 401 Location: Flashing my lights right behind you!
|
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
scot47 wrote: |
Hic lupus in fabula
All I can say now is that KFUPM has gone downhill since I left. This may be a coincidence or it may be because they depended on my charm, competence, wit and repartee to keep functioning.
As for the place referred to by Sammysez, I have no knowledge of it. (KFPMU)
Now 70 - I left KSA 6 years ago. |
No need for modesty. The decline is %100 due to your leaving. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
bigdurian
Joined: 05 Feb 2014 Posts: 401 Location: Flashing my lights right behind you!
|
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: re: well played! |
|
|
siologen wrote: |
Quote: |
Now 70 - I left KSA 6 years ago. |
I wonder if you miss it, but I would wager you do not!
A lot never make it out, or if they do, with bad cases of burnout. Have seen this happen with some ex saudi FT's when I was in Oman, and really bad to see. At least you got out and retired, and that is good! |
A good point that. I think the only way to survive teaching here for any length of time is to not take it too seriously.
Daily reminders of your unimportance are helpful.
Remember a woman I worked with in my last job. She made so much extra work for herself, ended up getting so stressed out over everything, nearly had a nervous breakdown, and ended up doing a midnight runner. Why!!!
Patience and a GSOH should be required qualifications in KSA. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
sicklyman
Joined: 02 Feb 2013 Posts: 930
|
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
advertising again on Dave's today. Bit like London buses these guys: no ads for years and then three come along at once.
any idea why they would be advertising again and again? Not getting the right candidates or teacher attrition? Are all the ads hiring for after the summer? |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
siologen

Joined: 25 Oct 2016 Posts: 336
|
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:10 am Post subject: re: yeap... |
|
|
Yeah, the eagle eyed are amongst us, spotted it myself. I am guessing this gig is iqama only as they are citing September as a start date? |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
|
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
No business visas (or pilgrim visas) for jobs at KFUPM these days. Legitimate work permits with an iqama. This may not suit those who are fugitives from justice.
KFUPM hire people all the time because they have a large faculty. 100+ teachers. people move on. The days when people stayed for decades have gone. Turnover is more rapid than it was in the bad old days.
I do miss some aspects of being there. A big chunk of disposable income once a month was good. So too was the working and living environment. Pleasant parkland outside the main urban area. Students who were biddable. Colleagues included some who were sociable and sane.
Long breaks from teaching. A good library on campus. The delights of Aramco just over the wall, with access to all sorts of pleasures, licit and illicit. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
|
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: re: yeap... |
|
|
siologen wrote: |
I am guessing this gig is iqama only as they are citing September as a start date? |
I doubt there are any direct-hire university positions that deal with biz visit visas, especially since most of the universities are public institutions. You need to target ads for contracting companies. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
leggeymountbatten
Joined: 11 Mar 2016 Posts: 74
|
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
Of course scot 47 is correct, Kfupm employ a lot of teachers so naturally there will be a turnover.
I do however have it on good authority that the admin at Kfupm are not as supportive as they could be as far as getting the Iqama is concerned.
They have a very arms length attitude about it. Apparently, they don't respond to inquiries readily - there is one, not very pro active Filipino dealing with the admin.
Moreover, the visa authorization documentation is lodged by them at the Saudi cultural center, not the embassy in London. This causes added complications, expense and delay when applying for the work visa.
In addition, the costs of the medical, ACRO Report, and work visa are met by the job applicant. It is only the flight that Kfupm will pay for.
So those applying will have to be content with parting with over 1,000 pounds to get through the process. This may well filter out a lot of good teachers who would otherwise apply.
It may also mean that Kfupm have to advertise and recruit more than other organizations to fill gaps in the staff. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
|
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
leggeymountbatten wrote: |
I do however have it on good authority that the admin at Kfupm are not as supportive as they could be as far as getting the Iqama is concerned.
....
In addition, the costs of the medical, ACRO Report, and work visa are met by the job applicant. It is only the flight that Kfupm will pay for.
So those applying will have to be content with parting with over 1,000 pounds to get through the process. This may well filter out a lot of good teachers who would otherwise apply. |
The above is typical for other govt universities. Nothing new there.
It's the benefits package (e.g., dependents' flights, 60 days summer holiday...) that appeals to qualified job seekers. Plus, direct-hire employment beats the uncertainty of working for a suspect for-profit operation. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
siologen

Joined: 25 Oct 2016 Posts: 336
|
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:55 am Post subject: re: very good points! |
|
|
Quote: |
This causes added complications, expense and delay when applying for the work visa.
In addition, the costs of the medical, ACRO Report, and work visa are met by the job applicant. |
And for an FT returning to say, the UK, from East Asia, the return itself can be harrowing enough. If one is rich enough it is better to stay inside a hotel or with a family member/friend and never go out unless absolutely needed until the whole matter is resolved and you can go directly to the airport. Of course, the hotel cost will mount up....it is expensive even if a prospective FT is permanently in the UK, unless one can afford to take days off work to make the trip down to London. Hence many prefer the business visa option, but each to their own! |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|