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moonraven
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El Nota:
1. Show us the proof that Rigoberta Menchu created a guerrilla resistance movement in Guatemala.
2. And, since when is resistance a synonym of guerilla warfare? Does that mean that Gandhi and Martin Luth King, Jr. were guerrilla warriors because they practiced resistance?
3. Why do you find it necessary to sneer snidely at the composition of the Nobel Peace Committee?
4. In short, what's your beef?
Just in case you now want to go off about the current Nobel Peace laureate, an African woman who plants trees, and make her into a MauMau warrior--please stifle that impulse.
For others who would actuallyt like to know something about Rigoberta Menchu:
http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/1992/tum-bio.html
The above-cited biographical page also contains links to some other good sources. |
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ElNota
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Location: Buenos Aires
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I ummmm.... I read her autobiography. Its called, "I, Rigoberta Menchu. An Indian Woman in Guatamala". As long as we're giving homework assignments (been teaching too long?) Why don't you read that and then talk to me? Focus on Chapters 17-20. Better yet, read the whole thing, its a fantastic, inspiring, horrific, tragic, and moving tale about a woman who came from absolutley nothing to do something amazing. It also gives a great insight into Indian life, culture, and values.
At the risk of sounding offensive, your quite the know-it-all. And what makes you assume I would talk about something I don't know anything about? |
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moonraven
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I assume that you would talk about something you don't know about because you did. Menchu did NOT create a guerrilla group in Guatemala, or anyplace else. (I see that you did NOT respond to the specific questions I asked you, and moreover I assume that you did not do so because you were unable to.)
Actually, since she has lived in Mexico for a number of years, I had the opportunity to meet her and talk about some of her experiences. She seemed pretty peaceful to me....
Sorry that the Nobel Peace folks do not meet your standards. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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moonraven wrote,
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| mattheboy's racist stereotyping (all Ecuadorians are two feet tall, "short-arsed dwarves", etc.) is typical of the kind of behavior that gives EFL teachers a bad name in Latin America. It should not be tolerated on this forum. |
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| (I see that you did NOT respond to the specific questions I asked you, and moreover I assume that you did not do so because you were unable to.) |
Sort of like the fact that you have never answered my question about how calling Ecuadorians two feet tall is racist? |
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JZer
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| Venezuela is an interesting--more than that, fascinating, place--if you're an interesting person. |
Moonraven, they why are you there? |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I am hereby withdrawing mine from you. |
Moonraven's famous words, I am not talking to you anymore. I am losing my patience. I guess she really thinks that this gives her some worth or proves that the poster is crazy. I think that anyone that has to state on a discussion board that they are ending the dialogue is a little childish.
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moonraven
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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JZer: I suggest that you ask the moderator, Paul H, about why I believe the comment about 2 feet tall dwarves is racist.
Yes, I have lost patience with you. But at least I am not "losing my patients"--now you're trying to tell us that one of us is a medical doctor, or a psychiatrist--or what?
Please don't answer.
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| JZer: I suggest that you ask the moderator, Paul H, about why I believe the comment about 2 feet tall racist dwarves is racist. |
Why should I ask Paul H? Can't you explain it yourself? Is it racist if a Nigerian calls an American a stupid idiot or fat?
As for your xenophobic definition it is definitly wrong? I have asked three professors and two friends at my university if being xenophobic is dependent on whether one is the foreigner or not and none of them believed that it does. There are two parts to the definition. One is about being afraid of foreigners but xenophobic can also refer to being afraid of anything that is strange or foreign, which is from the viewers perspective and independant of location. |
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ElNota
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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I assume that you would talk about something you don't know about because you did. Menchu did NOT create a guerrilla group in Guatemala, or anyplace else. (I see that you did NOT respond to the specific questions I asked you, and moreover I assume that you did not do so because you were unable to.)
Actually, since she has lived in Mexico for a number of years, I had the opportunity to meet her and talk about some of her experiences. She seemed pretty peaceful to me.... |
Did you do your homework yet young lady? Like I said. Read her book. Then we'll talk.
By the way, I didn't say that she created a "guerrilla group", but a "guerrilla resistance movement" among the indigenous in Guatamala. They armed themselves with machetes, clubs, stones, nets, spears, set traps, threw lime salt or boiling water in the faces of soldiers, used secret signals and decoys, catapults, used guns (although they didn't really know how to use them), and pretty much any other "unconventional" warfare tactic that they could get their hands on.
She describes using a pretty young Indian woman as a decoy, then ambushing a soldier, tying him, and beating information out of him. She also describes how she armed a 90 year old woman with an axe, and watched her kill a unsuspecting soldier with a suprise axe blow to the head.
MLK used the sit in... thats all I was saying. If they did that, however, they'd all be dead - as brutal as the U.S. goverment was in the fifties and sixties, they can't hold a candle to the Guatamalan government in the seventies and eighties.
But now I'm doing your homework for you, aren't I? Damn. |
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Weona
Joined: 11 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| moonraven wrote: |
| You insist on posting abusive and condescending comments and false information. |
Just curious how ElNota's response about Menchu's activism is considered "false information" when it's all coming from her own autobiography?
Apologies for posting "off-topic". |
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