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Working and living in China. If you can, AVOID IT!
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cujobytes



Joined: 14 May 2004
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Location: Zhuhai, (Sunny South) China.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you somehow imagine that they would suddenly decide to clean and maintain the bathrooms if they were sitters? I doubt it, imagine the state of the seat you'd be expecting to SIT on, covered in you know what and you know what.
As for paper, I don't think it would magically appear simply because the cubicles contained sitters.
A lesson early learned in China, always carry a packet of tissues with you.
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tw



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cujobytes wrote:
A lesson early learned in China, always carry a packet of tissues with you.


That, or empty your bowels BEFORE you leave home.
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shonisan



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cujobytes wrote:
So what was it you were trying to teach me ... that Christ appeared to the Chinese resulting in the conversion of the Boxers?


That the boxers WEREN"T Christians.

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They practiced an animistic magic of rituals and spells which they believed made them impervious to bullets and pain. The Boxers believed that the expulsion of foreign devils would magically renew Chinese society




Here's a rarity from what I have seen arund here:

My apologies. I was wrong and you were right.

I am not sure what it was that I read in the past but it sure wasn't about the boxers.

Maybe my age is showing ... they do say it's the first thing to go. Wink
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cujobytes



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe my age is showing ... they do say it's the first thing to go. Wink

The second.

TW, agreed, but if I eat Jao zi out I need to go , real quick. Don't know what it is but those things go through me like a dose of salts.
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Volodiya



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Herman, if I can supplement your list,

"5. I make sure my cell phone doesn't fall out of my pocket."

I once saw a guy with his arm down one of these toilets, trying to retrieve his cell phone.

Poll: What would you have done, under the circumstances, above?
a) bravely and resolutely plunge your arm into the foul-smelling mixture; or,
b) buy a new cell phone?
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Mideatoo



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look everyone:

- Most of Chinese are ''fake''.
- Most of China is 50 to 100 years behind the US.

If you can live with that, then you'll be fine.
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Midlothian Mapleheart



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edited to remove offensive content.

Middy


Last edited by Midlothian Mapleheart on Mon May 29, 2006 6:53 am; edited 1 time in total
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Starry Night



Joined: 24 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

herman wrote:
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but why do they have such terrible aim...and sh it all over the floor

That's exactly the problem I have with squatties. Plus squatties tend to be poorly maintained and rarely cleaned. I don't want to have to worry about three things at the same thing:

1) making sure I aim well
2) making sure I keep my balance and not fall over
3) making sure all my clothes won't fall out suddenly

Actually, there's number 4: making sure you have toilet paper. Squatties never seem to have toilet paper.


Interesting story about squatties, I went to the national park, Zhangjiajie in Hunan Province and an old woman demanded money so we could use the toilet, promising it was clean. Of course, it was absolutely filthy and she had a good laugh at the silly waigorens' expense, so keep that in mind if you go there!
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zhamr



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not wanting to add fuel to an already inflamed debate, but the disagreement over the Boxer Rebellion may have arisen due to confusing the Boxers with the Taipings, who in fact were a radical Christian sect, occupying nearly half of China during the mid-1800s.

My own understanding of this sorry episode, recorded briefly here (with some editorial truncation) is that the leader of the sect, Hong Xiuquan, had a vision in which he was 'revealed' as the younger brother of Jesus and on the basis of this vision, he set forth to bring a message of moral purity and military conquest to China. The Taipings attracted a great deal of attention because of their ruthlessness (especially towards corrupt Chinese), but I understand they were also associated with violence against foreign corruption as well. The Taipings advanced to within the suburbs of Shanghai, much to the horror of the Chinese and foreigners traders there.

Interestingly, the Taipings (having established the capital of their 'heavenly kingdom' in Nanjing) were eventually defeated by a mercenary army of foreign troops and some locals hired out to the emperor by the foreign powers. It is ironic that when faced with a choice of a morally upright, uncorrupted, Christian government (albeit espousing some fairly flaky theology) and the murky world of Qing governance, the foreign powers chose money ahead of morality; clearly everyone wanted business as usual.

As a footnote it is also perhaps instructive to recall that the mercenary army levelled the forbidden city in Nanjing (which was larger than the copy built in Beijing) and killed every man, woman, and child remaining within the Nanjing city wall (many had already fled by the time the army arrived - only the truly committed remained to face their fate).
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Roger



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

go slow, go slow, zhanr! I think you have ann overly nostalgic, jaded view of that Hong Xiaoquan character.
A more modern parallel to him might be that Li something person founder of the Falun Gong "movement".
The commonality lies in their megalomania and xenophobia. Both went over dead bodies to further their interests.
And both bamboozled westerners and Chinese alike!
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Captain Yossarian



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are referring to Li Hong Zhi, Changchun's most famous ex-citizen.

I know a guy who was a primary school classmate of Li's. I pressed him for some more info but the only thing he could say with any clarity was that 'he played the trumpet well'!
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ContemporaryDog



Joined: 21 May 2003
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Location: Wuhan, China

PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmm... pancakes wrote:
Prue Jarvis wrote:
Hmmmm, that list reminds me of Russia, Australia, & New Zealand!


Excuuuuuse me? I've never been to Russia, but I was born in NZ and have been to Australia many times. I don't know that I EVER saw a person urinating in the streets before I came to China.
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It's pretty common in the UK, at least at night when people are out drinking.
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ContemporaryDog



Joined: 21 May 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Urinating and defecating Reply with quote

Chris_Crossley wrote:
KES wrote:
Perhaps Roger can enlighten us as to exactly what so many of us see, a not uncommon sight, when we see these guys with their trousers unzipped and a stream of liquid pouring out.

What pray tell are they doing? Please inform us what we have seen.


This "sight" is, indeed, a very common one in Wuhan, but usually I only see them standing in front of urinals. Very Happy

However, one thing does puzzle me: How come any time when there is a Western-type toilet free, most Chinese men will freely opt to use the squat toilet to defecate? (Obvious answer: Habit. Real answer, please?)


Because the chinese consider western toilets to be dirty. It is actually fairly logical, in such a dirty country, that its cleaner to not have contact with the toilet...
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ContemporaryDog



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Starry Night wrote:


Interesting story about squatties, I went to the national park, Zhangjiajie in Hunan Province and an old woman demanded money so we could use the toilet, promising it was clean. Of course, it was absolutely filthy and she had a good laugh at the silly waigorens' expense, so keep that in mind if you go there!


Actually in my experience it's pretty common to get charged to use the toilets - usually 5 jiao.
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tw



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, since the topic has now pretty turned to Chinese WC's, I'd have to say that the little village to the north of my college's campus has quite a few FREE public washrooms (I counted about 3 or 4) where people would just walk in to do their business. BUT man! You can smell the stench from at least 20 feet away. Shocked
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