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PAULH



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kdynamic wrote:
SEndrigo wrote:
Quit whinging about racism and xenophobia, and deal with it. If someone doesn't like you because of where you're from, that's their problem and not yours.

Sometimes it's not as simple as that. Confused


He's obviously never had a university term contract and had to deal with being made forcibly redundant every three years regardless of qualifications, experience and ability.

Its not a matter of whinging, its a matter of having the laws of the land, including judges, systematically discriminate against you because you are not Japanese and such rules do not apply to Japanese nationals. Its apartheid, Japanese style.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was surprised to learn that a full time Japanese math teacher fresh out of university at our school was informed in February that his one-year contract would not be renewed.
This came at the same time that they informed me that they had no plans to renew my contract. But it seems that our principal refused the board of directors order to fire me and they agreed to give me one more year.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
I was surprised to learn that a full time Japanese math teacher fresh out of university at our school was informed in February that his one-year contract would not be renewed.
This came at the same time that they informed me that they had no plans to renew my contract. But it seems that our principal refused the board of directors order to fire me and they agreed to give me one more year.


Sweetsee, you dont say where you are but many national universities (like where I was last time ) are now privatised independent organisations and can hire and fire teachers as they see fit, including japanese nationals. Its their way of getting rid of deadwood.

I work with a Japanese woman as a term limited contract teacher and her and one other Japanese guy (now in the PhD program at Temple) will be out of a job next March. Depending on the situation it is also possible to fire teachers for incompetence.

Im not holding my breath on being renewed next year and am looking at other positions.
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shuize



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SEndrigo wrote:
I find the overall negative tone of these posts to be amusing at best....coming to Japan can be a really great experience, but I think that it depends on each person to make it a good experience.

To the people complaining about the falling of salaries: deal with it. Right now I work 2 or 3 hours a day and make more than most people who work 8.

There are good jobs here if you come over, pay your dues for a year or so and in the meanwhile look around.

Japan may be rigid and hierarchical in some aspects, but there is plenty of money to be made here and good business opportunities if you are so inclined.

Quit whinging about racism and xenophobia, and deal with it. If someone doesn't like you because of where you're from, that's their problem and not yours.

Let's stop being melodramatic and instead try to help out these genuine people who are posting questions here, looking for sincere and helpful answers.

I agree with you about salaries. I posted my comments above merely as a statement of fact. If absolutely anyone can get off a plane and land a job, there is no reason for salaries to remain high. Especially considering how easy most EFL work is.

I disagree about the racism and xenophobia. While I'll never be accused of being the most PC guy around, those things get old fast.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily against term contracts. As I've posted elsewhere, I think they may actually lead to greater employment. But term contracts just because one is foreign -- with no way to work out of that box -- are stupid and don't present a very enlightened image of Japan.
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Vince



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two points to keep in mind. First, pessimistic stereotypes will always be the order of the day. Second, our cultures put a lot of value on playing The Game, and growing up in that environment has left such an impression that we sometimes even wonder about ourselves for not playing The Game.

During a conversation with my father today, he made a comment about me "starting [life] kind of late." I didn't appreciate the insinuation. Teaching in Japan wasn't a "real job" or a "real life." Things didn't get real - I didn't get real - until I joined the corporate world, got a mortgage, had kids, and in all other important ways fell into the American rat race. I'm not saying my father wants my life to be a grind, but that the rat race is what people consider to be real adult life. Anything else, and you live in the clouds. My people will always tell me that going to college in my late twenties was ok because I spent my early twenties in the military, and that starting my corporate career in my mid-thirties was ok because I spent my early-mid thirties overseas. They sincerely want to give me that benefit of the doubt, but the cultural momentum is such that they're ultimately humoring me.

I know what took me to Japan and what will most likely take me back. It certainly won't jibe with the typical expectation for an "adult" life, but I'll be comfortable with my choice as long as I can provide for family and achieve my goals. Other people's opinions of that path's validity used to affect me, but now they amuse me.


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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
I didn't get real - until I joined the corporate world, got a mortgage, had kids, and in all other important ways fell into the American rat race.


Funny. My wife and I LEFT the corporate world, got RID of our mortgage and CAME TO Japan precisely because we couldn't stand that lifestyle one moment longer...

Having been part of the corporate world, let me just say -- you can keep it!
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SEndrigo



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Paul,

I completely understand where you are coming from, especially as you have a wife, kids and a mortgage too.

But let me ask you this: did you not know that the Japanese government systematically discriminated against foreigners, before you started teaching at a Japanese university?

With my previous post I did not want to imply that we should ignore all such problems, only that we should stop whinging about it on a message board.

There ARE ways to combat racism and xenophobia, but I don't think by posting negative views on ESLCafe that we will help eradicate such social problems.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SEndrigo wrote:
HBut let me ask you this: did you not know that the Japanese government systematically discriminated against foreigners, before you started teaching at a Japanese university?.


To be honest when I was part time it never really bothered me as i just renewed my contract every year (even those are discriminatory and japanese part timers have contracts or 'periods of employment'. Its only when you get on the gravy train of full time employment that the reality hits you. I will also add that its a kind of discrimination against my Japanese wife, as when I become unemployed, so does she, and the fact one has a family and dependents who are japanese nationals is not taken into account.

Its only when i started reading Debitos website and various teaching forums (PALE etc) that I realised what I was up against. You dont tend to think about these things until you are up to your neck in it yourself.

Anyway, teaching 8 classes a week was a vast improvement on the 20 classes I was teaching the year before.

PS. Have you read Ivan Halls Cartels of the Mind. he says it all in there as well but people still lust after these lucrative and cushy jobs.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SEndrigo wrote:
Hey Paul,

I completely understand where you are coming from, especially as you have a wife, kids and a mortgage too.
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No mortgage but a rental property in New Zealand and trying to pay off graduate school loans. Tenant has just moved out so I may have some lean months.

The outgoings I have to come up with each month to keep my neck above water are not funny either.
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SEndrigo



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have not read that one but it has piqued my curiosity...shall check it out !!

Yes it's really a shame that the fact that one needs to support a family isn't taken into account, it's really dog-eat-dog out there and I suppose uni is no different.

I suppose it's up to us to make do with what we have, or push ahead and try to better ourselves as best we can!

It's possible to do that in a "free" country such as Japan, we are pretty fortunate to be living here as I don't think our possibilities are as limited as some people make them out to be.

Anyhow just my two pence !
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shuize



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
... Anyway, teaching 8 classes a week was a vast improvement on the 20 classes I was teaching the year before.

Exactly. When someone is dangling the prospect of 8 classes a week in front of you, the fact that the job won't last forever is not an immediate concern.


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PAULH



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SEndrigo wrote:
Have not read that one but it has piqued my curiosity...shall check it out !!


Here is a review of "Cartels" for you on Amazon
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cameron.mayo



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who gives a tinkers cuss what your percieved as by people from your own country...Let go of mummy's apron strings and be your own man/women. People that dis you obviously don't have the balls to do what your doing and live in another country...Who gives a toss whether you wash pots n' pans, your sucking up lifes challenges just as your so called 'buddies' are.
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Jazz1975



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cameron.mayo wrote:
Who gives a tinkers cuss what your percieved as by people from your own country...Let go of mummy's apron strings and be your own man/women. People that dis you obviously don't have the balls to do what your doing and live in another country...Who gives a toss whether you wash pots n' pans, your sucking up lifes challenges just as your so called 'buddies' are.


I agree with Cameron although my views aren't quite so harsh. The way I see it is if you TRULY enjoy what you're doing, whether it be in your own country or abroad, then GO FOR IT! Only YOU can decide what's best for you. Staying true to yourself is much more important than letting others "dictate" what you should be doing.
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sallycat



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SEndrigo wrote:


With my previous post I did not want to imply that we should ignore all such problems, only that we should stop whinging about it on a message board.

There ARE ways to combat racism and xenophobia, but I don't think by posting negative views on ESLCafe that we will help eradicate such social problems.


if it wasn't for people like paulh "whinging on a message board", a lot of us wouldn't know about what was going on. posting about "social problems" on a message board is one way of getting the word out, and i figure the more people know about rascism and xenophobia, the more chance there is of doing something about it.
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