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[Midlothian Mapleheart]

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[Fortigurn]

[kev7161]

Serious question: Does anyone think it is adviseable to actually ask what the student tuition is before accepting a job offer? You could precede the questioin by saying something like: "In my last school, I found out the students were paying XXXX rmb every year, yet the school, and my classroom in particular, was so rundown. There was no modern equipment or textbooks or anything that would make the education of those students' easier and better. That is why I'm asking you here before I take the job. I would like to be assured that a good percentage of the tuition is actually going towards taking care of the students' needs."

[Malsol]

Bottom line - if you do not like it, quit.

You are not going to change China but China will surely change you.

[vikdk]

[Midlothian Mapleheart]

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[vikdk]

dearest middy my posts in no way are intended as a defence of my own character, I love being the little devil

[Midlothian Mapleheart]

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[vikdk]

I'd prefer you punched me out - like you'd do back home - rather than sing to me Middy

[Roger]

Has anybody noticed vikdk's absence from this forum for a while? I guess he was ordered to do contemplation for a while and cool her heels.. he now no longer goes after Roger but has found other grateful scapegoats.
Anyway, what's up, I wonder? n

We know vikdk wants all the power and money for himself while his recruiter - who advertises, puts the students in the classroom and gives vikdk a lift to and from home, should be grateful to her for the crumbs vikdk will leave behind from the tuition fees collected from students.

He has also opined ideal teachers do not work legally since this only constrains their intellectual, moral and imaginative powers.

And he continues to postulate that every FT working in China must be grumpy, overworked, undersexed and underpaid because they all are enslaved to some Chinese macho.

he cannot imagine that some people don't feel the conditions under which they work are not so bad - perhaps because they do not make any comparisons with jobs held in a western country.

It may surprise vikdk that I know some FTs who make many times the money I earn a month - but I happen to know how much more worried, stressed out, unhappy they are.

And to be frank: if you have to pander to your students' whims you are going to end up a nervous wreck! Even if you succeed in making half of your class happy - there always are those who are not, and what they have to complain weighs far more heavily than the combined happiness of the rest. The more people pay, the more fickle they are, and if you get paid ten times the wages a local person gets you will be monitored, watched over more cricitally than even George Bush does!

[vikdk]

Looks like some one here is getting rather peeved off at being almost totally ignored

[Midlothian Mapleheart]

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[Bayden]

When you're doing a job 'back home' do you ask to see your bosses books and base your salary demand on what he makes? I didn't think so.
This may be a communist country, but the bosses aren't sharing the wealth.

[vikdk]

Bayden maybe pondering on the following could be of interest -
Although the difference between the cash input you generate for a perticular enterprise and your monthly pay check maybe the main topic of the thread, a point that is equally of interest is the huge differences in pay here. I personally have no problem chalking up a min of 200/hour while I know of others doing the same line of work who are operating in prosperous looking establishments working for under 50. Okay we have side benefits, payment per qualification and other things to account for, but that aside the variations in pay-scale here is rather staggering, which results in that oft asked question - how much should I earn - being answered in such an abstract and difficult to understand manners - with the bottom line often being bargain bargain and try to bargain again.
Now back home we have pay scales, which means that the wage bargaining there is not usually our direct domain - you know the kinda stuff - in most countries it's the representitives of those bodies, which have a hand in education who usually battle these matters out. In our case its the teacher associations (unions etc. ect) who argue our case, but always with an eye on how much the employers can afford, and putting up arguments for a greater share of available funds to be made available for sallaries. So in a way bayden the boss's book are brought up in wage discussions back home - maybe not directly by us as indivdual teachers, but by those supposedly working in our professional interests.
Of course in the almost unregulated unemployment jungle of FT China the above comments can be dismissed as worthless BS - especially if you take into account the differences betweem mainstrean state education and the profit orientated business ESL has generated itself into - where loss can be just as prevelant as profit. But saying that if your determined not to associate the kind of cash that can be generated by the Chinese ESL industry with the wage that lands in our pockets, well go ahead - but knowning that my potential employers have a bit of cash to spalsh about usually makes me bargain a bit harder and the 230,000 figure quoted by the OP certainly wouldn't entice me to work in the 50/hour doldrums. But then again looking at those variation in wages kinda gets me to think that some of us don't have that same direct outlook on wage bargaining as me

[jammish]