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Atoms for Peace
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| sherlock wrote: |
| ..... corruption of the Indonesian language. |
Oh dear god! Even the language is corrupt? |
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hairyrambutan
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Location: Beer section of Carrefour
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Who are your linguist friends?
A corruption would refer to something like losmen/lodging.
Or perhaps Bule/Belanda. |
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Llamalicious
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| Atoms for Peace wrote: |
| sherlock wrote: |
| ..... corruption of the Indonesian language. |
Oh dear god! Even the language is corrupt? |
Ha ha ha  |
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reddrake
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Location: Riyadh
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Atomic Wedgie wrote: |
Rayman -
Basically my point was don't fool yourselves into thinking it's enough (the money I mean). It never is. Here you either have it or you don't. If you make 20 mil a month you'd need to save 10 mil a month which means you're only living off of 10 mil a month which means you're not living, you're getting by which has been the whole arguement of this very off the beaten track thread. You can't afford to get buy when you're retired - medical expenses get more and more expensive the older and more sickly you become. But hey if you think it's possible all the best!
On another note, what I have isn't enough to retire when I'm 65, it was enough to retire at 28 - four years ago. Got bored here trying to think of new ways to throw away all this dough so I got TEFLfied and started teaching. I mean I can only drink and *beep* so much without ending up like Nicolas Cage in Laving Las Vegas, am I right? This was just to annoy you - most anything I say is  |
Atomic just a quick Q, what exactly ur expenses? cause i only make less than 10/mth and i can save about 20% of them, and i live with my wife, pay a rent for a house, eat well and enjoy life. Although i am not a big fan of bars and clubs. I even started to invest some of my saving in some bonds. |
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bule_boy69
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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Location: Jakarta
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: TBI Kuningan |
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Anyone got contact details for people who do the hiring at TBI Kuningan?
Looked at the site...only a jakarta email address.
Please PM if you can assist...
Thanks to everyone who posted info or sent a PM...very helpful |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| hairyrambutan wrote: |
Who are your linguist friends?
A corruption would refer to something like losmen/lodging.
Or perhaps Bule/Belanda. |
There's no historical relationship whatsoever between bule and Belanda. And neither could possibly be considered to be a corruption of the other.
bule = "albino" (Javanese). This is according to the recent Javanese-English Dictionary by Stuart Robson -- who is indeed a friend of mine and perhaps THE preeminent scholar of Javanese linguistics and literature living today.
The word has now come to mean a "white" person (in Javanese as well as in Indonesian), just as the literal orang putih does. |
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tanyakenapa
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Location: Batavia
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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I'll just put in, probably worthless info.... that Belanda in Javanese is usually referred to as wong Londo or Kompeni.
Bule in javanese can also be - aunt (for someone who is younger than you) Pak 'le for the uncle who is younger than you.
Bu'de - aunt who is older
Pak'de uncle who is older
then of course you have Oom and Tante...
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong  |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I think we had the londo/Belanda discussion here some years ago.  |
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TEAM_PAPUA
Joined: 24 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: * |
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| From memory the word 'bule' actually means albino and then came to mean 'white person' - some may say in a derogatory way. |
My wife said it refers to 'western foreigner', and western foreigner is seen as white in the eyes of Indonesia. But what does that matter, anyway?
Semantics. What is important is how you perceive the word. I feel that it is harmless.
Back to salaries - if you are getting paid less than you deserve (based on qualifications and experience and your current market value) it is up to you to make the move. If you are simply getting paid less than you think you deserve, it is time to bite the bullet or go home. |
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guruengerish
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: londo |
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I was told by an Indonesian with a Dutch background, that the word 'londo' is derived from Bellander.
Bellander is used loosely to describe any foreigner (probably a white one!), and it is even in use by the aborigines of northern Australia, as they borrowed the term from the trepang traders of Sulawesi.
Certainly in Magelang, I was an 'orang londo'. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: londo |
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| guruengerish wrote: |
| Bellander is used loosely to describe any foreigner (probably a white one!) |
Where exactly? Since first going to Indonesia in 1971, I've never heard or seen this particular term. |
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guruengerish
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: Bellander etc. |
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Oops. I accidently sent this as a private message.
The term 'Bellander" was very common in Sulawesi when I was there, and the village kids would race out and greet us as 'orang Bellander'. They do not discriminate between Netherlanders and other white folk.
The Makassarese people when diving for trepang -sea slug in northern Australia, exported the word there and is in common use by the aborigines of northern Australia to describe white people.
When we lived in the same street as descendants of Makassarese/Aborigine marriages, we were always referred to as "keluarga Bellander", even though they knew we came from "Marege", their term for northern Australia.
I also heard Bellander used often in Java.
Incidentally, I looked up the term "Landa" in my Javanese English dictionary. Being Javanese, they pronounce this as "Londo".
The entry says: Landa or Landi 1. Dutch 2 European. var of Wlanda (Walanda)
The term Netherlander or Nederlander is not used.
Bule 1. Albino 2 White person |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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The word you heard was evidently Belanda. It means "The Netherlands" (noun) or "Dutch" (adjective) in Indonesia.
Londo is quite probably derived from the Javanese pronunciation of Belanda. |
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TEAM_PAPUA
Joined: 24 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: * |
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It is good to see you here again, Henry. I thought we had lost you.
You have been here since 1971. May I ask have you become an Indonesian citizen? |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: |
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Not exactly! I haven't been in Indonesia continuously since 1971 -- not by a long shot. But I've spent considerable time in Indonesia in each decade since then.  |
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