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MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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| jfurgers, I am curious where you got the idea that you didn't need permission to work if you obtain an FM2? As Notamiss posted, you will need work permission for an FM3 or an FM2. |
Can you not be an economic dependent of a Mexican national? I think I've seen that somewhere. |
I think you're right, Phil_K, but that means that you are not working and instead depend on the Mexican national in question for your income. |
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jfurgers
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Can you not be an economic dependent of a Mexican national? I think I've seen that somewhere. |
You can. At least that's what they told us in migracion. Bu they don't recommend it they said because the Mexican nationals income has to be a certain amount or they have to prove that they have money and if that were to change then you would have to change your status. |
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notamiss
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| jfurgers, I am curious where you got the idea that you didn't need permission to work if you obtain an FM2? As Notamiss posted, you will need work permission for an FM3 or an FM2. |
My FM2 allows me to do whatever. That's what they told me at migracion. I just have to let them know where I'm working once I start. I didn't say I don't need permission to work (did I? It was early when I posted),I think I said I didn't need any papers from HH to get my FM2.
Our marriage has been recognized in Mexico, but the FM2 isn't dependent on my wife supporting me financially.
It says something like I'll be able to do any kind of work as long as it's honest or something like that.
The people we met at migracion were VERY helpful and friendly. They just made it clear that we need to let them know when I start working. I asked a lawyer I met there about the tax ID because I want to do two things maybe. Teach privats and work at a school. She said to let hacienda know that you want to do two activities so they can note that.
Sorry for the confusion Samantha, I know I need permission to work but I didn't need any papers from HH for my FM2. |
I don't mean to start an argument, just want to set the record straight for anyone else reading this information in the future. You didn't get permission to work because you got an FM2 instead of an FM3. If they left you with that impression, they didn't explain it fully. You got permission to work because your application requested that status instead of the status of financially dependent on your spouse. [Just entering the realm of pure speculation here, but perhaps they didn't even get into the financially dependent option with you because who ever heard of a man being financially dependent on his wife  ]
In my case, we got our marriage recognized in Mexico (like you), but since at that time, I wasn't expecting to work, I got an FM2 with the status of being financially dependent on my husband, which didn't allow me to work. When I did get an offer for a job a couple of years later, the employer helped me get the working status changed to "working for employer X". |
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guatetaliana
Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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Location: Monterrey, Nuevo Le�n, Mexico
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OK, I never pursued the FM2 visa because I thought I would have to prove economic dependency on my husband (Mexican citizen) or else go through the same process of submitting paperwork from my employer that would be required for the FM3.
So are you saying that with an FM2, you can somehow bypass some of the paperwork required for legal employment??? |
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Samantha
Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:39 am Post subject: |
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jfurgers
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
Posts: 442
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: |
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[quote="guatetaliana"
So are you saying that with an FM2, you can somehow bypass some of the paperwork required for legal employment???[/quote]
I'll just say this. When I was going to get the FM3 migracion told me I would need a letter from HH stating how much they were going to pay my, a statement from them showing that their taxes have been paid for the past three months.
Once I decided on the FM2,I DID NOT need those papers from HH. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 2236
Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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jfurgers
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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When I go to get my FM2 today I'll ask them some questions if I have time. All I'm saying is I'm not getting my FM2 because I'm dependent on my wife and I DID NOT have to have ANY papers from any school.
With the FM3 MIGRACION TOLD ME I would need the letter from the school saying how much I was going to get paid plus some kind of paper from them showing they have been paying taxes.
I DID NOT NEED THOSE FOR THE FM2  |
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notamiss
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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Honest, I'm not saying I disbelieve you about what they're telling you, I just think that the particular immigration officials you're dealing with aren't giving you the full picture. (And it really doesn't matter in the long run, because you are getting the status you want and need.) We know from other threads that things can vary from one office to another.
The undeniable fact is I that in my case have an FM2 that has at different times been "economically dependent on spouse," "permission to work for named employer" and "permission to work independently". All 3 statuses are documented there in the pages of the booklet.
Others here and elsewhere have had FM3's with any one of those different statuses, too. The long and the short of it is that either an FM2 or an FM3 can be employer-linked, independent or non-working.
It may be, too, that the requirements (in terms of documenting proof of studies or proof of income) are more strict or more lenient depending on which FM is being applied for. Certainly there's plenty of anecdotal evidence that the documentation standards vary from one migration office to another. |
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leslie
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Bye
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notamiss
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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jfurgers,
Sorry, if you already answered this, but...
So, to get your FM2, didn't you have to provide proof that you could support yourself in Mexico somehow? Like a pension, or lots of money in a bank account, or some other kind of income? |
Right, because he is applying for and receiving permission to work. The assumption is that with permission to work he will generate income to support himself. [Edited to add: In fact as he clarifies below, he will have to show proof of his job and income.]
On the other hand, people who are applying for an FM2 without permission to work do have to prove that they have money to support themselves or that they are supported by their spouse as the case may be. More information here: http://www.mexperience.com/liveandwork/immigration.htm
See also http://www.rosenlaw.com.mx/publications/pdf/Mexican%20Immigration%20Law.pdf, Slide 5, where the different classes of FM2 are listed. Each one requires its respective proof, so the ones that depend on existing outside income (retiree or supported by spouse) require proof of that support (also proof of the marriage relationship in the spouse case). The "investor" class would require proof that the person has the capital to invest, and the "professional," "scientist," "technician," or "artist and athelete" classes require the respective credentials (degrees or whatever).
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jfurgers
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| leslie wrote: |
jfurgers,
Sorry, if you already answered this, but...
So, to get your FM2, didn't you have to provide proof that you could support yourself in Mexico somehow? Like a pension, or lots of money in a bank account, or some other kind of income? |
Leslie,
I didn't have to prove that I could support myself and my wife didn't sponsor me but we did turn in our proof that our marriage has been registered in Mexico.
Once i have a school that will hire me I have 30 days to take a form back to Migracion showing the name of the school and how much the are going to be paying me. |
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leslie
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Bye
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Samantha
Joined: 25 Oct 2003
Posts: 2038
Location: Mexican Riviera
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| We've discussed the "independiente" work visas here numerous times. This status is applicable to FM2 or FM3. |
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jfurgers
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| leslie wrote: |
| Thanks jfurgers for telling us about your situation. I'd never heard of that before, and it shows that I can't assume that I know all the rules. Not that I really want to know all of them, but it's nice to know that there may be other options out there. |
You're welcome. PM me if you need more information. |
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