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changshaman
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Small change to this post:
I don't work for the school in the advert or the company posting it. I just found it on TIE online and thought I would pass is along for one of the average jobs available to real teachers.
Description:
NIS is a growing, non-profit, IB World School for overseas children only, age 3-18yrs. We have 500 students from all over the world and faculty from 15 different countries. Nanjing is recognized as on one of China's most interesting and livable cities. We are a Mac laptop school with superb facilities and excellent resources for teaching and learning. Very happy, upbeat and professional faculty.
Salary:
USD43000 - USD61000 (Net Salary)
Benefits:
The school offers an excellent package of expatriate salary and benefits, based on a two-year initial contract. Significant saving potential, great housing and very positive atmosphere.
General Qualifications:
The ideal candidate, a professional teaching qualification, experience of teaching at least one International Baccalaureate programme, one-to-one Mac laptop experience, a track record of excellent student results.
Materials to be sent:
Applications please by email attachment ONLY (MS Word), with photograph, marked Vacancies, strictly in the form of a 1-page letter of application, a 2-page resume, and names and email contacts of at least three professional referees. Full details and job specifications will be sent to all applicants.
Interviews:
Search Bangkok, London and Cambridge
Deadline:
Other:
Nanjing is an attractive, historic provincial capital of 5m. inhabitants, well located for discovering China, South East Asia and East Asia.
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Solana
Joined: 08 Jul 2008
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| Mikeylikesit114 wrote: |
Hi there. I make a little over 18000 a month, 12 months a year. I teach about 18 class hours a week, and have 4 months of vacation every year. |
What kind of school are you working for? I'd love a deal like that! And, even for that, how in the world are you able to save what you do?
I'm presently in Japan but my contract ends in December. I have to find a job somewhere fast. |
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mat chen
Joined: 01 Nov 2009
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Location: xiangtan hunan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| I make 5 wan a month but it is because I supplement my teaching with trash collecting and selling vegetables at the local market. I go thru the local dumps in my town and find plastic bottles and cans that I can easily turn into ten thousand rmb a month. You can also pick up easy money helping recruiters bring in new teachers for about two thousand a head. |
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Pelican_Wrath
Joined: 19 May 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: 21,000 RMB a month |
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| roywebcafe wrote: |
When i was working at a govt school in Wuahn, china in 2003 I was on 4500RMB a month. Just where can you get jobs that pay 21,000RMB a month as a teacher?
I now have 5 years experience and a CELTASo would like to be earning more.
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Mostly only at International Schools with a PGCE.
Look out for the rare opportunities teaching EAP which won't require QTS, just a CELTA and experience. I was offered such a job earlier in the year, but sadly it fell through due to declining student numbers.
Sometimes the International schools do have such positions. They won't pay as much as the qualified teachers earn, probably 10,000-15,000 per month, but that will be with the full holiday pay etc. |
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Pelican_Wrath
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| Solana wrote: |
What kind of school are you working for? I'd love a deal like that! And, even for that, how in the world are you able to save what you do?
I'm presently in Japan but my contract ends in December. I have to find a job somewhere fast. |
If he isn't teaching at an international school (which in my view shouldn't come into the equation on the ESL Cafe as this is a forum for ESL, i.e. unqualified, teachers), I'd say he may be teaching EAP. I know four people who have taught EAP and none were qualified teachers. Well, one had a B.Ed in teaching Science, but it wasn't relevant to his teaching EAP, the others just had a CELTA and experience teaching adults. I think the latter is quite an important thing if you want to make headway with ESL. The best non-qualified jobs do tend to come teaching adults - e.g. preparing students for a Masters programme in the West.
Those jobs are relatively few in China, of course, but on 18,000 a month you can save 10,000 without even trying, as 8000 is enough to live really well unless you're in Shanghai and downing 80 kuai pints of beer.
But in places like Wuhan, etc, you can easily live well on 8000 a month. |
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A'Moo
Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Posts: 1067
Location: a supermarket that sells cheese
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| Pelican_Wrath wrote: |
| Solana wrote: |
What kind of school are you working for? I'd love a deal like that! And, even for that, how in the world are you able to save what you do?
I'm presently in Japan but my contract ends in December. I have to find a job somewhere fast. |
If he isn't teaching at an international school (which in my view shouldn't come into the equation on the ESL Cafe as this is a forum for ESL, i.e. unqualified, teachers), I'd say he may be teaching EAP. I know four people who have taught EAP and none were qualified teachers. Well, one had a B.Ed in teaching Science, but it wasn't relevant to his teaching EAP, the others just had a CELTA and experience teaching adults. I think the latter is quite an important thing if you want to make headway with ESL. The best non-qualified jobs do tend to come teaching adults - e.g. preparing students for a Masters programme in the West.
Those jobs are relatively few in China, of course, but on 18,000 a month you can save 10,000 without even trying, as 8000 is enough to live really well unless you're in Shanghai and downing 80 kuai pints of beer.
But in places like Wuhan, etc, you can easily live well on 8000 a month. |
Quite the generalisation...Maybe like the one about guys coming to China to find a wife, for they cant get any back home....And in this country of 1.3 billion, there is always some woman willing to take up with even the most unattractive that the west has to offer... |
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mike w
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Location: Beijing building site
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| If he isn't teaching at an international school (which in my view shouldn't come into the equation on the ESL Cafe as this is a forum for ESL, i.e. unqualified, teachers), |
Since when has this been a forum for unqualified teachers?
Or are you trying to say that qualified teachers can't teach ESL?
Why shouldn't teaching at an international school come into the equation?
Look at the title on this page - Job Discussion Forum - "The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
There are a good number of qualified teachers who teach English that are members of this forum, as well as a good number of qualified English teachers. There are also a good number of qualified teachers who teach other subjects as well. There are also a number of qualified teachers/English teachers who do not teach in any schools, but work in the corporate environment. Are the contributions from these people not valuable, or are the only valuable contributions from non-qualified 'teachers'?
I find your inference both narrow-minded and insulting. |
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Solana
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| mat chen wrote: |
| I go thru the local dumps in my town and find plastic bottles and cans that I can easily turn into ten thousand rmb a month. |
Are the dumps easy to find -- even for a woman, and a foreign woman at that? Do you have some kind of cart you use to collect them?
Just curious ... I may be just buying a plane ticket to Shanghai in a couple of weeks, leaving Dec. 24. I have nowhere to go. I have to find a way to bring money in until I get another full-time job. |
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Solana
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None of the international schools referenced would be appropriate for me. I'm not officially qualified ("certified") in my home country. I'm just an oral English teacher with 3+ years experience in Japan and a B.A. Could I realistically go for 10-15K?
I just saw an ad for a company called "Sina International" or something like that, paying about 14K with housing, and that was for an oral English teacher. |
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Solana
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. P wrote: |
| Is anyone interested in joining me in Vegas? Besides tips, our white faces will qualify for government benefits. |
Vegas??? It's practically the second Great Depression there now, from what I've heard. Where are the jobs there? There are no more -- at least none if you're not gorgeous enough to be a showgirl ... |
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mat chen
Joined: 01 Nov 2009
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Location: xiangtan hunan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:34 am Post subject: |
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So people plant these stories here at Dave's about huge salaries but then at the same time recruiters advertise thousands of jobs in China. So why not continure the story with free airline trips paid by the school ahead and not after contracts are filled.
So go ahead and get caught in the bait and switch trick. If you are really interrested in getting rich PM and I will tell you about some cheap land I have to sell in Southern Florida. |
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naturegirl321
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Location: home sweet home
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Sorry to bring up an old thread, but if you're a qualifed, Christian teacher, I know that Concordia International School pays pretty well. I have a friends who's been there for a while. She's also been able to get her MA as they have some type of cosortium going on with a US uni.
I tried but didn't get it, like I said, it's a Christian school, so you need a pastor's reference. |
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Silent Shadow
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 380
Location: A stones throw past the back of beyond
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| inchinanow wrote: |
Glad you asked Alter Ego. Sorry, but my reluctance to discuss these is the result of paranoia. In China, sometimes I feel a little paranoid. But I also feel compelled to have open and honest discussion, which is often not permitted in China.
What subject do you teach: Science
how many classes per week: 10 right now
how many students in your classes? approx 20
What ages do you teach: High School
how many total hours do you work (required to be at your school) per week: 40
how much paperwork do you have: moderate amount
how many meetings are you required to attend: a few each week
how many office hours (sitting at a desk in a teacher's room)
and how many bosses and supervisors (people telling you what to do and when to do it) do you have?: 1 boss |
That's not a bad gig!
Does your school need any more teachers. I'm serious, Could you let me know? |
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Maupin III
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: To the US? |
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| If you think you feel unfufilled here, wait til you get home.... |
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Jayray
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Since this post has resurfaced, I need to ask why ANYONE would believe that China is mostly a place for "unqualified" teachers.
In the U.S., one who wants to teach toddlers through high school are required to be certified. Most are certified by taking the National Teachers' Examination. (Certification is available through other means, but the NTE is the standard for American public schools).
As far as I know, no certification is required of college level teachers in the U.S.. (Theological seminaries and divinity schools may have required certifications that are unknown to me).
In China AND in the U.S., qualifications exist in the form of a VALID, recognized degree from a recognized college or university. In the U.S., one usually is required to have a minimum if a masters degree or an MFA.
Now, if one wants to start another thread about validity of FT's qualifications, there should be another thread for that.
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