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[gregd75]

[Samantha]

There have been some extremely rude comments lately, particularly in this thread. Negativity seems to be feeding negativity. I agree with Greg on several counts. Mexico is what it is, and in all the time I have been here, nothing much has changed. I am not here because I have to be. I am here because I want to be. Mexico has taught me a great deal about myself. I am pretty sure that the Type A personality has the most difficult time here. "My way or the highway" doesn't compute in Mexico.

One of my greatest issues with how things are being portrayed in this forum lately, is that the experiences of certain individuals are being painted as being truth for the entire industry and entire country. This forum is not only about Mexico City or San Luis Potosi, where all the complaints seem to be coming from. These constant generalizations make no sense. I have worked for perfectly fine and reputable little language schools, and no one took advantage of me. I remember at least one of the posters in this thread constantly bragging about his great job, paid time off, and how much more money he was making than everyone else. If a personal situation is no longer working out, it's best to deal with it like a grown up. It's hardly fair to trash the entire industry ad nauseam.

[Guy Courchesne]

[the peanut gallery]

gregd75,

You are correct in that nothing forced me to apply to the job. I just happen to have a desire to work, thats all. Thankfully i dont have an economic requirement to work. As my previous post pointed out, there are plenty of teachers who have no choice but accept derisory offers. Choice is a luxury. Some people seem to forget that. If i had known what was on offer i would not have wasted my time.

Re my wife's offer, luck can never be discounted of course. But she had 4 offers ranging from between 26 to 31 thousand. Maybe she got lucky 4 times. That old chestnut of investing in professional development rears its head as a response to negative comments on this board fairly often. However in this case my wife is no more qualified in her field than I am in mine. As you say its supply and demand. Mexico needs people qualified to import and export goods. Mexico apparently doesnt need qualified ESL teachers.

I agree fully with you regarding being constructive with one's life and career. I made the intelligent, constructive decision to leave ESL in the rear view mirror and retrain in a well compensated field. As you said, I made the right decison for me.

Mexico is indeed a great place to live and Mexicans are great to teach. But that really isnt whats at the heart of the issue is it?

Tretyakovskii,

That Vietnam link is a real eye opener.

Guy,

Spot on re the lurkers. Ive been a member since 2006 and have contributed a mere 30 odd times. That doesn't mean that it hasnt been a valuable source of information though

What personal attacks are you referring to?

[Guy Courchesne]

[the peanut gallery]

Ah, i see. No need to be so down on the Mexico board then things are on the up!

[the peanut gallery]

Getting started in Mexico is how this thread started out. Maybe "Getting started in Mexico for people looking for long term career viability, economic stability, and professional satisfaction" would have been more to the point. Not really a catchy title though is it.

[Mr. Kalgukshi]

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[gregd75]

GUY- I think its really important to respond to the negativity in these threads. I am not saying everything here in Mexico is great- as a language school owner myself, I wish I saw all these profits that some posters allude to.

Just last week a teacher of mine got another job and she broke her contract, without providing notice. Sometimes us language school owners get a bad press (sometimes deservedly) and sometimes we do everything we commit to doing and STILL we get shafted.

But thats life. I don't complain about it. I don't worry about it. It's just one of those things.

As for the 'lurking posters'- I disagree with you- they are the readers, not the posters. This is the MAIN REASON I go to the effort of writing here on Daves. I completely agree with you. A lot more people READ these posts and, as Samantha commented, there is more to life than the positions in DF and SLP.

Albeit that readers wouldn't necessarily know because the posts are being distorted.

Yes, there is a place for negativity, but there is also so much good here in Mexico. I see this country has developed MASSIVELY in the 6 years I have been here. I see it all for the better and I wouldn't choose to live anywhere else in the world.

I suspect that other posters would choose to live somewhere else- I get the feeling anywhere else- and it makes me sad that readers may get the wrong opinion of Mexico if they were to read these opinions in isolation

[amaranto]

Samantha wrote:

[Professor]

[Professor]

[Samantha]

Professor wrote:

[gregd75]

Oh professor. I would never try to get you to stop posting... In fact I believe you reported ME one time, didn't you?

I've never done that to you. I also respect the fact that YOU tried to start a positive thread about language schools... but it was hijacked by others.

I guess that, noting your date of joining (May 2009) that you're fairly new around here. I don't ever remember reading the threads on Daves and thinking BOY HOW POSITIVE IS ALL THIS!

Finally, no rose tinted glasses here... I just passionately love Mexico and I hope more people come and fall in love with the country as much as I have done.

[Professor]