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alibaba



Joined: 21 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:49 am    Post subject: sorry Reply with quote

that should have been nonsense gordon!!
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:55 am    Post subject: Re: sorry Reply with quote

alibaba wrote:
that should have been nonsense gordon!!


About what? Confused If you disagree about something I said a month ago, than what is it?
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Clancy



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you look at your foreign students they may have the body of an adult. However, they are still children psychologically speaking, naive etc.

Dating them makes you a pedophile.
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ilunga



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff Clancy.
You've ensured this thread won't be disappearing for a while yet.
Maybe we should just all agree so we can get shot of it.
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Wolf



Joined: 10 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clancy wrote:
When you look at your foreign students they may have the body of an adult. However, they are still children psychologically speaking, naive etc.

Dating them makes you a pedophile.


The oldest student I ever taught was 84. I'm not even 30 yet.

And it's not my students who are foreign. It's me.

You should maybe be just a wee bit more specific as to which of our students are still kids. Very Happy

Some of us teach - or have taught - at private conversation schools where many of our students were adults with their own careers, etc.
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ClaudeRains



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 6:29 pm    Post subject: sleeping across the lines Reply with quote

Dear, dear.


Many of the posters on this thread need a night lost in another's arms. Their level of anger and wrath methinks doth bare befit the contemplated crime. Aramas, ah Aramas... your guileless spirit speaks to us so eloquently. William Blake once reflected: "Those who restrain desire do so because theirs can be restrained." If Kobe Tai came into any man's class and gave him a come-hither eye, he would soon throw off these cautious David's threads, these chatterings of clerkish minds, and nail the magic nymph multiple times, so many times that, indeed, even one hour might seem until the heat death of our universe. Would that fortunate chap were I.

Avail yourselves of history and the best of literature. It's full of romance that sleeps across the lines of clan, colour, age, and war--romance that transgresses the boundaries. It's that very transgression which sparks such a high level of eroticism. Aramas only holds out for the savage passion which defies all, which creates its own universe--if only for a night.

Does this mean any teacher who sleeps with a student or guardian who beds his charge can be compared with Jesus and Mary Magdalene? Lancelot and Guinevere? Aristotle and Alexander? Perhaps not. But the shocked Capulets and Montagues of blanket taboos have held poison sway here too long. You who speak so roundly on forbidden Eros are strangers to your natures. We have passions which, once awakened, wash away not only rules, but empires, even continents.

Perhaps Aramas is no saint. But he understands that sometimes a sin is a grand and beautiful thing�
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 7:26 pm    Post subject: Mighty fine writing Reply with quote

Dear ClaudeRains,
My congratualtions - that definitely ranks with the highest of high-class horsefeathers. Yikes, man (well, I assume, anyway) - have you no shame? I'm not talking about the content of your message here - nope, it's the florid, pretentious, overblown style that I'm referring to.
But then, perhaps (I hope) it was all a put on, a paraody of fine - in the sense of being marked by or affecting elegance or refinement - writing that was SUPPOSED to inspire some chuckles, even a guffaw or two. If so, congrats again - I'd say you could hardly have done a better job of mimicing grandiloquence.
Finally, regarding your "tag-line":
Quote:
"Life is a tragedy to those who feel, a comedy to those who think." --Possibly Oscar Wilde

Your ""Possible" is justified, I'd say; all the sources I've seen credit Horace Walpole, not Oscar Wilde.
Regards,
John
P.S. Come to think on it, your content is highly euphuistic, as well.
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear John,

You are too kind to Claude Rains. He reminds me of Dan the Weightlifter, maybe he is Dan the weightlifter-- shirtlifter version. I have nothing against romance, but I tend to mistrust those who talk about it, if you see what I mean. I knew a few of them in Cambodia, before they went to jail.

Somehow, I doubt this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

Regards

kh
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ClaudeRains



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Canada
Friendly Neighbor to the North
This was the unkindest cut of all

--Possibly Francis Bacon
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2004 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you're right--I apologize-it was a bit OTT. sorry. But your proseis rather ....fruity. Anyway nothing personal as I havent a clue who you are. And longlive romance, of the licit variety.

cheers

kh
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2004 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clancy wrote:
When you look at your foreign students they may have the body of an adult. However, they are still children psychologically speaking, naive etc.

Dating them makes you a pedophile.


Pedophile: Someone who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescant children.

How is dating a 17 year-old girl being a pedophile?
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Joachim



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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dating a 17 year old girl doesn't make you a paedophile, but it does make you seriously disturbed.

What can a qualified ESL teacher (who must therefore be aged at least 21 or 22) from the west have in common with and Asian teenager???

Is it easier to go out with people who aren't going to challenge or question you in any way, and just accept that you deserve admiration, respect and reverence for being white?
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Aramas



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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joachim wrote:
Is it easier to go out with people who aren't going to challenge or question you in any way, and just accept that you deserve admiration, respect and reverence for being white?


I don't know what planet you're from, but about the only way teenagers are going to fit your little fantasy profile would be if they were in a coma. I have several friends in their teens, and I work with several more. I'll have to tell them about you. You're so old. The teenagers I know have a much better grip on reality than you seem to Smile
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joe-joe



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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Lordy what a thread! I've just succeeded in wading through it. Should I add my penneth worth or not I aske myself...... Yeah why not. On teachers having power/authority over their students well, yes children/teenagers perhaps, but adults, ah, no. I teach ministers of government at the moment, and some people who have more money, (by various means), than I'll ever be able to dream of. Do I think I have some influence or authority over them; NO. Or certainly no more than the driver, maid, or various other hired help they employ.

As for the Morality Police, well if said relationships between students and teachers are of consenting age, well then that's their business, so enough said. If it's between juveniles and a teacher, well then of course that's not healthy and/or legal. But in truth many tefl teachers I've met, well they are frankly also juvenile in their minds, if not in body.
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Wolf



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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joachim wrote:
Dating a 17 year old girl doesn't make you a paedophile, but it does make you seriously disturbed.


Even if you're still in high school? Very Happy How many people at some point in their lives dated a 17 year old? Quite a few, I'd imagine. For me, that's a bit too young.

What can a qualified ESL teacher (who must therefore be aged at least 21 or 22) from the west have in common with and Asian teenager???

I'm almost 10 years older than my students, and we still manage to have some things in common. Many of us grew up on Li Hsaio Long and Jackie Chan movies, many of us like Japanese animation, lots of us excersise regularily (I've played basketball with my students a few times), and we all have to get by living in Asia. Oh, and there's the common persuit of EFL as either a student or a teacher. I would figure that there would be quite a few Hong Kong teenagers into Hong Kong cinema, but now I know better. Wink

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Is it easier to go out with people who aren't going to challenge or question you in any way, and just accept that you deserve admiration, respect and reverence for being white?


Not unless you're some sort of control freak. Besides, lots of my students question and challange me anyway. You should have been there when I said that the movie Titanic was garbage. Wink
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