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Are All English Teachers Liberals?
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Would you vote for Obama or McCain?
Obama
68%
 68%  [ 17 ]
McCain
32%
 32%  [ 8 ]
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milenka wrote:
Phil_K wrote:
Well yes, because, although you have the right to like and dislike any politician and his/her politics, I think someone who intelligently studied the transformation of Britain in this period under Thatcher, or lived through it (as I did), wouldn�t make this kind of comment.

What exactly makes you "sick to your stomach" about Thatcher? Could it be that it has nothing to do with the great work she did?


Let's see, first off, you imply that something's not OK with my intellect because there's no way I could've INTELLIGENTLY studied the impact of this politician on her country (and the world) without agreeing with you or others who, to quote another poster, LOVE her. If that is your position, I really don't see the point in explaining why I included her as one of many examples of women who are in power and, in my view and based on my life experiences, studies, analyses, etc., do a poor job. Please don't make easy implications about me or my thoughts. Conceiving the possibility of others having different views on political issues would help lots more.


As you didn't answer the question, I think that says all I need to know.
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john_n_carolina



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milenka wrote:

Let's see, first off, you imply that something's not OK with my intellect because there's no way I could've INTELLIGENTLY studied the impact of this politician on her country (and the world) without agreeing with you or others who, to quote another poster, LOVE her.


....Phil, didn't say there was something wrong with your intellect...he just said, "You wouldn't have made this comment"...in that respect, you're misquoting him.

what other examples of women in power / authority / cultural power don't make you sick?

Courtney Love? Oprah? Ellen Degeneres? Miley Cyrus? Madonna?

(once again, i predict the thread won't last the weekend Smile )
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sweeney66



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In The Men's Room(s)

When I was young I believed in intellectual conversation:
I thought the patterns we wove on stale smoke
floated off to the heaven of ideas.
To be certified worthy of high masculine discourse
like a potato on a grater I would rub on contempt,
suck snubs, wade proudly through the brown stuff on the floor.
They were talking of integrity and existential ennui
while the women ran out for six-packs and had abortions
in the kitchen and fed the children and were auctioned off.

Eventually of course I learned how their eyes perceived me:
when I bore to them cupped in my hands a new poem to nibble,
when I brought my aerial maps of Sartre or Marx,
they said, she is trying to attract our attention,
she is offering up her *beep* and thighs.
I walked on eggs, their tremulous equal:
they saw a fish peddler hawking in the street.

Now I get coarse when the abstract nouns start flashing.
I go out to the kitchen to talk cabbages and habits.
I try hard to remember to watch what people do.
Yes, keep your eyes on the hands, let the voice go buzzing.
Economy is the bone, politics is the flesh,
watch who they beat and who they eat,
watch who they relieve themselves on, watch who they own.
The rest is decoration.

Marge Piercy
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thelmadatter



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:44 am    Post subject: surprise Reply with quote

johninmaine wrote:


(once again, i predict the thread won't last the weekend Smile )


Im kinda surprised it has lasted this long.

Back to the original question... I do think that the majority of EFL teachers, at least in my experience in Mexico indeed are liberal. Fortunately, I have rarely run into the rabid type (liberal or conservative). Maybe that is because we learn to tolerate other after being "foreign" for a time and know what it is like to not be tolerated.
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MO39



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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana

PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject: Re: surprise Reply with quote

thelmadatter wrote:


Back to the original question... I do think that the majority of EFL teachers, at least in my experience in Mexico indeed are liberal. Fortunately, I have rarely run into the rabid type (liberal or conservative). Maybe that is because we learn to tolerate other after being "foreign" for a time and know what it is like to not be tolerated.


I hope you are including me in the "non-rabid" liberal category (good adjective, by the way). Very Happy
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El Gallo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grandpa Simpson is not intoerant enough to suit hateful neochristians so Palin fits the bill.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

El Gallo wrote:
Grandpa Simpson is not intoerant enough to suit hateful neochristians so Palin fits the bill.


I like "neochristians" . Is this a term you've invented? Could you explain it to us?
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ls650



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
El Gallo wrote:
Grandpa Simpson is not intoerant enough to suit hateful neochristians so Palin fits the bill.
I like "neochristians" . Is this a term you've invented? Could you explain it to us?

While we're adding new words to the English dictionary, if there are "hateful neochristians" are there also "loveful neochristians"?
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El Gallo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
El Gallo wrote:
Grandpa Simpson is not intoerant enough to suit hateful neochristians so Palin fits the bill.


I like "neochristians" . Is this a term you've invented? Could you explain it to us?


Like neocons are neo-conservatives who hijacked American Conservatism for their own political agenda of war, torture, executive branch power and corruption, and economic destruction of the middle class; neochristians hijacked Christianity in America for their agenda of religious intolerance. They cherry pick scriptures from Leviticus (except verse 19:33, of course) and ignore Jesus� words of love, tolerance and acceptance in the New Testament to further their exclusion and condemnation of others - gays, Muslims, Mexicans.

Their goal is an American evangelical theocracy where the Constitution would be re-defined by their own version of �God�s Standards� This was actually suggested by Mike Huckabee who was a runner-up for the Republican nomination.

Dobson of Focus on the Family, the late Falwell, Pat Robertson and Palin are good examples of neochristians.

Yes, I coined the phrase and no, I haven�t encountered any �loveful neochristians�.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the all too accurate definition of your neologism. Do you have any more up your lexicografical sleeve?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Locking the thread as this has gone on longer than it should have.
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