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Visa Renewals Halted If No Work Permit
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Pizza Lover



Joined: 20 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wasted_ace19 wrote:
Pizza Lover- yours is the sort of mindless negativity I think deserves banned just as much as any personal attack on another specific member. At the end of the day it could be just as damaging, and its probably even more thoughtless.


I disagree.

I am not being negative, I'm telling the truth.

It's not just me, but my colleagues at work.

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You now need a work permit to work in vietnam. (supposedly- I guarantee you in five years time there'll still be thousands working without one, but that's a separate issue, we'll ignore it for now.)

You "need" a work permit to work in most countries; and generally, its the ones "worth working in" that tend to require one.

The answer? GET A WORK PERMIT.


I have ALL of the documents to get a work permit.

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"oooh the school won't help me boo hoo"; tough, do it yourself like you have to do most things in vietnam/life.

Don't have the credentials? Get them. Can't get them? Move to cambodia or laos until their government pulls itself together.

I appreciate I may appear a bit rash here; I KNOW its hard to get a WP. But I feel someone has to say it, because there's far too much crying over this issue, and when I hear people writing about how "(other) people are (going to be) leaving" I start feeling sorry for those whose arse starts picking the rivets out the chair every time they log onto this hive of negativity.


There is no crying. many people working here, including me have a short time line on our visa EXTENSIONS to get the work permit, or we'll be kicked out.

I understand most countries require a work permit.

I had a work permit in 2 countries previous to coming to work and pay taxes in Vietnam.

I submitted my documents, authenticated them, paid some fees, and the school did the rest with the government.

Here, yes, we're on our own.

We don't have a clue, and no one else does either.
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CThomas



Joined: 21 Oct 2009
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Location: HCMC, Vietnam

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pizza, Do you mind sharing where you work? I don't want to work at any place that doesn't get the work permit for qualified people. And I imagine if word gets around, then they'll have difficulty filling positions and get the message.
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Pizza Lover



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CThomas wrote:
Pizza, Do you mind sharing where you work? I don't want to work at any place that doesn't get the work permit for qualified people. And I imagine if word gets around, then they'll have difficulty filling positions and get the message.


I won't say where I work, on a public forum.

But my school is registered with the Ministry of Education, and is considered to be "top-tier," honestly.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A confrontational posting has just been deleted.

We have worked very hard to keep this thread available and will continue to do so.

If you enjoy being confrontational and attacking other members, you will be gone before this thread is gone.
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sigmoid



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I understand most countries require a work permit.

I had a work permit in 2 countries previous to coming to work and pay taxes in Vietnam.


Same for me. This is an important point.

Most people would be happy to get a work pemit in VN IF the procedures to do so were clear and reasonable and if schools were prepared to assist.

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or we'll be kicked out.


Well, I guess you can look at that way, but I'm planning on leaving anyway. 6 months to a year in VN is enough for me.

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Move to cambodia or laos until their government pulls itself together.


Laos gov't is already together. If you have a full-time contract, you can get a work permit with a one-year multiple entry visa and residency card in about a week. No translations, notarizations, apostilles, or hassles. The school took care of everything and paid the fees.
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spycatcher reincarnated



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea if this will shed any light on things:

AusCham HCMC Business Briefing Luncheon: Visa and Work Permits

Date: Wednesday, 9th December 2009
Time: 11.00am - 2.00pm
Venue: Ball Room, Park Hyatt
Address: 2 Lam Son Square, Dist 1, HCMC
Member cost: VND 620,000
Non-member cost: VND 800,000
Details: For more information, please email Ms. Ngoc at [email protected]
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doublea71



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most costly part for me will be having my degree notarized in the U.S. This will be no easy task but I think it will be worth it in the long run. There are reasons not connected to the teaching field that the government is doing this-we teachers are collateral damage in a complicated political game and shouldn't complain so much.
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inky



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Location: Hanoi

PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doublea, the US Embassy will notarize a statement from you that your diploma is a true original, and that should be enough for your WP approval. It was for mine. It's my understanding that you no longer have to go through that lengthy process in the US. At least give it a try.
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doublea71



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that's true, that makes this process much easier for me. I'll give it a shot.
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doublea71



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive me for pointing this out but according to the U.S. Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City website, they do not offer notarial services for academic documents/certificates that originated in the U.S. and they provide a link for a "chain of authentication" process which is the nightmare I fear I won't be able to avoid. Perhaps they just haven't updated their website - I will at least try to do this. Did you have sealed official transcripts authenticated or was it your college diploma?
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deessell2



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US embassy in Hanoi now have permission to authenticate documents. They will stamp the back of your original degree. You do not need sealed transcripts.

I don't know about HCMC.
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inky



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, sorry, I was referring to the Embassy in Hanoi. I wasn't thinking about the fact that you're in HCMC. The odds are that the Consulate would be following the same procedure as the Embassy. If not, it would oddly enough still be easier to fly to Hanoi and have the Embassy notarize your documents than to deal with the authentication process.

A number of years ago when I first attempted this, the Embassy staff told me that they couldn't do it, but that it might be worth flying to HCMC and trying the Consulate because they were a bit more flexible! That made no sense to me, so I started the authentication process, but mid-way through that laborious process they changed the policy, so I had them do the notarization in Hanoi. So give the Consulate a try, and remember they take only USD or credit cards.

And as deesll says, no need for transcripts. Have them notarize your degree, ESL cert, and police check.
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alyssa



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

Two questions for anyone kind enough to assist me:

-Is a work permit is "transferable"? For example, is it possible to bring a work permit from one school to another? (How often) does it have to be renewed? Is getting a work permit the magic ticket to permanent residence?

-Also, has anyone looked into the possibility of opening a private tutoring business in order to get the three year permanent residence permit? I am wondering if it is realistic and/or what the fees (bribes) would be.

Sorry in advance if this has already been asked before...

Kind regards,

Alyssa
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mindweave



Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:18 am    Post subject: Hard to believe Reply with quote

I find it difficult to believe if you have the qualifications and jump through the proper hoops (or pay the right amount of graft?) you cannot get a work permit in Vietnam, if your supportive employer helps the process.
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Andy123



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have lived here for several years and nothing is ever clear.

It is not about the documents so much as the connections. If your school is connected they can get your work permit or visa. If they are not be ready for a long and stressful processing period. You may get it or you may not.

It's sad that some schools say they are doing the paper work but they sit on it. I feel sorry for these teachers because by the time their visa is up they will be told "sorry".

I know of several people with no secondary education that now have WP's. How is that possible? Connections. Why? Because the school can pay them 3 to 5 dollars an hour cheaper than a teacher with experience and a real formal education.

These schools are a business and have little interest in education.
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