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Has ESL teaching ruined your English?
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The China Syndrome was a great movie, indeed, even Jack Lemmon was good. I was in Cambodia when he died and I raised a drink to thank God he had finally died because I was rather tired of him, among other luvvies, but of course, ten years on I feel a bit guilty about that... As for English, well, mine was never that good in the first place. That is why I taught in
















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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sashadroogie wrote:

Yes, yes, loads of touchy feely studies doing the rounds, yet most of them centre on children: not the case with EFL professionals. Other studies focus on migrants where their first language is no longer important.


Perhaps you should go an re-read some of those studies. For someone who appears to be fairly ignorant on the subject, you are surprisingly dimissive of it. L1 attrition is a huge and very real problem, especially for refugee children, and yes also adult migrants. It�s not so easily dismissed when you see the devasting results it can.

As I understood it, the original question posed by the OP was �can teaching ESL cause or contribute to L1 attrition?�. My answer is, possibly, but probably not, it�s more likely to be affected by other factors. Your answer seems to be, �No, because it doesn�t exist�. Which is simply wrong.


Sashadroogie wrote:
Affectation. Make no bones about it, it's just attention-seeking


The only affectation and attention-seeking I see here, is your determination to always play devil�s advocate.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dear HLJHLJ,

If Sasha were truly the Devil's advocate, he certainly wouldn't be teaching EFL (and possibly having his L1 attritted - my neologism.)

The Devil pays far too well.

Regards,
John
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dear Johnslat

I am the devil incarnate, mu haw haw haw!!!

S
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
While it is true I'm dismissive of the subject, it isn't fair to say I'm ignorant of it, however it may appear to newbies. I also know a lot about NLP, but despite all the 'studies' done for that, I still doubt the truth of it. I'm not a big fan of 'learning styles' either. And if you think all that is bad, you should see what I've posted even on this forum about dyslexia. That should have you foaming at the mouth even more!
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It�s not so easily dismissed when you see the devasting results it can.

Sorry, devastating results it can what?
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dear Sasha,

The Devil, you say? Well, get my accommodations ready; I'll be down soon.

Regards,
Sinnerman John
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I raised a drink to thank God he had finally died because I was rather tired of him.


I think some people felt the same way about Bob Hope. Not me though, I loved him.
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artemisia



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The Devil pays far too well.


I wonder if the Devil'd consider recruiting me. I'd like lots more of that lovely, luring, filthy lucre.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dear artemisia,

Well, there is the little mater of signing over your immortal soul to eternal damnation. But heck - EFL is a great dress rehearsal for that anyway.

Regards,
John
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