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bulgogiboy
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| Ukranian chicks are smoking. |
Yeah, seems to be a bad habit which is rife throughout Eastern Europe, to be honest. |
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bulgogiboy
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| I came to Latvia planning to do only a year and I'm now in my sixth year of teaching here. I have ideas about shifting somewhere warmer next summer but I've said that so often that I'll only believe myself when I actually do it. In some ways for me it would be easier as well. I've no huge attachment to my "home country." Quite the opposite: these days I don't think about "moving back to the UK" I think of it in terms of "moving to the UK" and there are other countries which are much higher up the list of places I'd like to move to. |
Do you make decent coin in Latvia? Are there good opportunities to do privates? |
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Steinmann
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
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Location: In the frozen north
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Ukranian chicks are smoking. |
Yeah, seems to be a bad habit which is rife throughout Eastern Europe, to be honest. |
You know what I meant, though you're right, of course. |
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Majuro
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| Get a student visa, it allows you to work for 17.5 hours during classes and 35 during breaks. tuition is extremely low, about 2000 dollars a year and proof of funds is only about 7000. So working part time, coupled with passive income from property and hardcord budgeting should be enough to get by for two years, applying for citizenship is another two ish years, (but by then you should have graduated and be working full time. Or spend two years studying french and two more years getting your MA) then you're good to go. Four years total living on a tight budget, could be worth it. |
I've been living in France for two and a half years and I just want to clarify some of these points so that people don't misinterpret what you're saying. On paper it seems that getting French nationality is easy but in fact it is very very difficult.
Anyone living legally in France and meeting the minimum requirements is allowed to put in an application for naturalisation, but that by no means implies that they are obliged to give it to you. Each file is examined on a case by case basis and if they're not convinced about your motivations or attachments to France they can refuse you even if you meet the requirements. This is especially true if you ONLY have the minimum requirements.
Students are systematically refused on the grounds of not having stable financial resources originating from a French source. The fact of being a foreign student makes it impossible to have sufficient financial resources since your reason for being here is to study, and working is only secondary. Here's a quote:
LA NATIONALITE
La r�sidence : Qu'est-ce qu'une r�sidence habituelle en France ?
Vous devez r�sidez de mani�re habituelle et continue en France depuis 5 ans. C�est-�-dire qu�en tant qu��tranger vous devez �tre en possession d�un titre de s�jour.
vous devez disposez de revenus stables et personnels vous permettant de subvenir � vos besoins. Ces revenus doivent �tre situ�s en France et peuvent �tre li�s soit � une activit� professionnelle soit �tre d�origine familiale.
vous devez justifiez que la totalit� de vos attaches familiales se trouvent en France. C�est-�-dire que vous y avez vos enfants, parents, etc.
La r�sidence : Si vous �tes �tudiant ?
la dur�e de la condition de r�sidence est r�duite � deux ans, si vous avez accompli avec succ�s deux ann�es d��tudes sup�rieures dans un �tablissement d�enseignement sup�rieur fran�ais.
Cependant, vous restez soumis aux conditions de ressources stables et d�attaches familiales en France.
http://sos-net.eu.org/etrangers/interne/natio.htm
Furthermore, the residency requirement is shortened to 2 years for those who have completed 2 consecutive years of higher education in France. That makes 4 years the minimum before you can apply for naturalisation. The decision process can then take up to 18 months. Those rare applicants who are successful after such a short period of time have usually studied something exceptional, like medicine or a PhD, and are therefore seen as making a contribution to French society.
I know people here who have come as students and then put in applications for nationality, but it has been after 8 - 10 years of legal residence in France.
With regards to working on a student visa, the maximum is 964 hours per year. That works out to 17.5 hours per week year-round OR 35 hours during breaks, but not both.
http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F2713.xhtml |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash
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| That's very helpful information and can certainly help anyone considering trying to use a student visa to gain citizenship make their plans in realistic ways. Thanks for posting this! |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| I know people here who have come as students and then put in applications for nationality, but it has been after 8 - 10 years of legal residence in France. |
That's ok. Good things come to those who wait  I'm young still, not in my 50s rushing through. I have a friend who's 54 trying to get SA citizenship so she can go to uni there and get her BA. It's never too late. I'm not yet 30, so I have heaps of time!
| bulgogiboy wrote: |
| Do you make decent coin in Latvia? Are there good opportunities to do privates? |
jonniboy has been there for a while, so he's had teh chance to build up private students. You should PM him, he has lots of useful advice. |
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Steinmann
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Posts: 255
Location: In the frozen north
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| Get a student visa, it allows you to work for 17.5 hours during classes and 35 during breaks. tuition is extremely low, about 2000 dollars a year and proof of funds is only about 7000. So working part time, coupled with passive income from property and hardcord budgeting should be enough to get by for two years, applying for citizenship is another two ish years, (but by then you should have graduated and be working full time. Or spend two years studying french and two more years getting your MA) then you're good to go. Four years total living on a tight budget, could be worth it. |
I've been living in France for two and a half years and I just want to clarify some of these points so that people don't misinterpret what you're saying. On paper it seems that getting French nationality is easy but in fact it is very very difficult.
Anyone living legally in France and meeting the minimum requirements is allowed to put in an application for naturalisation, but that by no means implies that they are obliged to give it to you. Each file is examined on a case by case basis and if they're not convinced about your motivations or attachments to France they can refuse you even if you meet the requirements. This is especially true if you ONLY have the minimum requirements.
Students are systematically refused on the grounds of not having stable financial resources originating from a French source. The fact of being a foreign student makes it impossible to have sufficient financial resources since your reason for being here is to study, and working is only secondary. Here's a quote:
LA NATIONALITE
La r�sidence : Qu'est-ce qu'une r�sidence habituelle en France ?
Vous devez r�sidez de mani�re habituelle et continue en France depuis 5 ans. C�est-�-dire qu�en tant qu��tranger vous devez �tre en possession d�un titre de s�jour.
vous devez disposez de revenus stables et personnels vous permettant de subvenir � vos besoins. Ces revenus doivent �tre situ�s en France et peuvent �tre li�s soit � une activit� professionnelle soit �tre d�origine familiale.
vous devez justifiez que la totalit� de vos attaches familiales se trouvent en France. C�est-�-dire que vous y avez vos enfants, parents, etc.
La r�sidence : Si vous �tes �tudiant ?
la dur�e de la condition de r�sidence est r�duite � deux ans, si vous avez accompli avec succ�s deux ann�es d��tudes sup�rieures dans un �tablissement d�enseignement sup�rieur fran�ais.
Cependant, vous restez soumis aux conditions de ressources stables et d�attaches familiales en France.
http://sos-net.eu.org/etrangers/interne/natio.htm
Furthermore, the residency requirement is shortened to 2 years for those who have completed 2 consecutive years of higher education in France. That makes 4 years the minimum before you can apply for naturalisation. The decision process can then take up to 18 months. Those rare applicants who are successful after such a short period of time have usually studied something exceptional, like medicine or a PhD, and are therefore seen as making a contribution to French society.
I know people here who have come as students and then put in applications for nationality, but it has been after 8 - 10 years of legal residence in France.
With regards to working on a student visa, the maximum is 964 hours per year. That works out to 17.5 hours per week year-round OR 35 hours during breaks, but not both.
http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F2713.xhtml |
Do five years in the Legion. |
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jonniboy
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Location: Panama City, Panama
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I came to Latvia planning to do only a year and I'm now in my sixth year of teaching here. I have ideas about shifting somewhere warmer next summer but I've said that so often that I'll only believe myself when I actually do it. In some ways for me it would be easier as well. I've no huge attachment to my "home country." Quite the opposite: these days I don't think about "moving back to the UK" I think of it in terms of "moving to the UK" and there are other countries which are much higher up the list of places I'd like to move to. |
Do you make decent coin in Latvia? Are there good opportunities to do privates? |
On the first so so. Pretty standard European pay rates: around 13-15 euro per hour net in language centres and 15-20 for privates. Privates have usually been plentiful due to less competition from native speakers. This year though I dunno if it's the aftermath of the crisis or not but me and others have noticed a bit of a dropping off. 2008-2010 demand was crazy and I worked 40 clock hours many weeks just to keep up. This year I'm down to a more standard 25-28 hour week. One theory is that there was a spike in demand due to the crisis with many wanting to move abroad. Now anyone who wanted to move abroad and needed English for that has already done so and thus demand has returned to normal levels. Cost of living has dropped though. For me I'm feeling a bit burnt out with Latvia and exploring other options for the coming year. |
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bulgogiboy
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Do you manage to have a nice /lifestyle/apartment and save much?
The women are lovely there, right? |
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