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Who takes jobs tha pay 4000RMB
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: uni contract clauses Reply with quote

DirtGuy wrote:
Thanks for all the information and working for a uni is how I'm directing all my efforts.

Got a contract for a uni in Harbin and 3 things bother me:

1. Only accidental insurance, not comprehensive medical insurance. This bothers me. Should I be concerned?

2. The breach of contract clause calls for me to pay a penalty ranging from $800 to $3,000 US. Not that I'm planning to break the contract or anything but this sounds a bit outrageous.

3. Is it normal at a uni to pay a security deposit as well as gas? The security deposit is 1,000 and paying for gas (I'm assuming this means heat.) in Harbin could get expensive, no?

Looking forward to your replies.

DirtGuy


The first point I think is the standard offered, that isn't to say you can't negotiate though.

The second point is also normal.

I've not heard of a security deposit before. I would be wary knowing the general reputation of Chinese employers on this forum. If you do go with this employer definitely check with other FTs that you get it back no hassle. I'd also try to get all utilities included (it's something I always insist on personally but that's just me). I'm not sure on the housing in the north but I'd have thought you would have had electric heaters.
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MisterButtkins



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Harbin the government provides central heating (heated floors or radiators, depending on the apartment) for everyone. The gas is just for your stove.
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cormac



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterButtkins wrote:

Oh, and I work like 100 meters from my apartment, so my commute consists of a 3-minute walk. Go ahead and hate all you want. I don't care. 5100 is plenty of cash for what I need, and it's a job I like. If I need more money, I can take private lessons for 200/hour or do freelance work online.


My situation is like yours although I'm getting the standard 4500 for 12 hours at University. My schedule is always 4 days a week, which means I always have a 3 day weekend. My university also gave me written permission to have work outside the university which allows me to take government related part-time teaching work, which my uni sometimes helps arrange.

The point is that taking a job for 4500 & 12 hours class time frees you up for other work, or even just to relax. You can work for more in China (and I have), but I found my lifestyle to be far different to mine now. In fact I find my lifestyle to be far more healthy since I burned out on the clubbing/drinking/shopping rather quickly due to the extra free time available to me.

Nowadays I still have a decent social circle, but i work a fair bit in the evenings. I make roughly 11-12k per month between my Uni salary and private gigs (usually business english or Ielts preparation). And the funny thing is that I still work less than I would at a full time job.

And best of all.. I don't have to work with children, which many of the higher paid jobs seem to require.
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just took one of these jobs. For better or for worse, I am headed to AnYang to work in a uni. The contract says 5,000 for 18 hours of teaching and no office hours. Everything is provided for me, except food and personal items, and there is no prohibition against outside work in the contract. The best part is the airfare allowance is 13,000 which should be enough to get me to and from China.

I had another offer from EF, Nanjing, and it had all sorts of large numbers. The problem is that once I calculated my per hour rate (40 hours plus unpaid duties), I actually make more per hour with the uni job. Factor in the hassle of finding an apartment plus a lousy airfare allowance and the uni won hands down.

Of course I plan to do privates. Based on all the PMs I got from everyone (thank you very much for them), I stand to NET more money from the uni job than I would get from the EF position.

Now, if I can just get the compressed week I've asked for (they haven't said "no"), I'll be in fat city.

DirtGuy
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CJD



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had a job at sichuan uni, 4,000 a month, and only 2 days a week. i t was pretty awesome. didn't do any extra work on the side or anything either. 4,000 was enough.
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The Edge



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smart move taking the uni job instead of the one at an EF language mill.
You will have what is called 'A Life'.
Good luck.
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CJD,

That is a sweet deal. I gotta get me one of them.

DirtGuy
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dharma86



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 years ago 4000rmb was adequate.

That would be difficult to survive on now.
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dharma86 wrote:
3 years ago 4000rmb was adequate.

That would be difficult to survive on now.


To be honest I disagree. We should be careful on what it means to survive. Truly it's not a salary I would want and it wouldn't pay for my trip to Thailand next week but as far as for survival, 4000 RMB is quite adequate.

For a single person just out of college that's 100 RMB per day with 1000 RMB left over at the end of the month, that means you can eat out and drink every single day in a BBQ or regular Chinese restaurant and bring guests! Fond memories of how I spent my first year in China.

We should remember that in China, millions of families of 3 or 4 people are still surviving on less!
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MisterButtkins



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To be honest I disagree. We should be careful on what it means to survive. Truly it's not a salary I would want and it wouldn't pay for my trip to Thailand next week but as far as for survival, 4000 RMB is quite adequate.


Well, that's ridiculous. No self-respecting expat can live like a Chinese peasant. Let's have a look at a real expat's daily budget:
Breakfast: Bacon, eggs, coffee, with cheese on the eggs = 30RMB
Lunch: KFC = 40RMB
Massage after work = 50 RMB
Taxi to dinner = 30 RMB
Dinner at fancy restaurant (can't eat in those cheap places. They might use gutter oil, you know) = 80 RMB
Imported draft beers at bar after dinner = 80 RMB (just two beers, mind you)
Taxi back from bar = 30RMB
Smokes = 10RMB
Really, this is the bare minimum. So we have 350 RMB a day. Plus you will need to save money, pay for travel, and perhaps pay off debt. So really, 600 RMB a day, or 18000 RMB a month, is the bare minimum. It's not possible to 'survive' on anything less, really. Unless you want to live like a pauper.

Actually, the above calculations are nonsense. I spend 1.5-2k/month and I am fine. Yet there are still people on this board who seriously act like the above is a normal lifestyle and anything less is somehow insulting or unacceptable.
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GeminiTiger



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterButtkins wrote:

Actually, the above calculations are nonsense.


At first I was like -- Shocked
and than I was like Rolling Eyes
but at the end I was like Laughing
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DirtGuy



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. B:

How do you arrive at those numbers? Do you work for a uni where everything is paid for and you don't need a car? I'm assuming you have a pretty frugal lifestyle, no?

Thanks.

DG
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Denim-Maniac



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DG - I've enjoyed similar jobs.

My housing and utilities are paid for in full. Id be amazed if many FT's have cars, but I have never even needed / wanted a bicycle to be honest. I can walk anywhere in my town in 25 minutes.

Living a frugal life is always going to be a matter of opinion. I wouldnt eat or drink imported beers or cheeses here, or buy expensive important stuff to cook at home. Id prefer to eat out anyway. So Id eat pretty much every meal outside. Breakfasts would normally be from the street, lunch would normally be from the street or the school. Dinner would normally be from the school or any restaurant of my choosing. (The restaurant option would probably be taken 5 times a week).

I smoke as many as I want, and drink when I want too. That lifestyle ran at about 2000 a month. A few months of that 'frugal' lifestyle was another to pay for a naughty weekend in a boutique hotel with a pretty girl, although I dont save for 'real' or extended travel.

When I was regularly dating, I spent more, and didnt really save .. but I did always have money in my pocket at the end of every month. If you're single, not in China long term, dont have real debts or real need to save $$$$$, those lower salaries jobs are fine. And I have posted many times about jobs that pay 3 or 4 times my salary that I cant justify accepting because the extra hours/location/lifestyle just doesnt make it worthwhile. As Mr Buttkins posts about the 30 RMB taxi ride ... Ive never needed to take one in my town so I can see city living eating into that higher salary quickly.
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kungfuman



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This came in my email today. 4500y a month for 8 hours a day x 6 days a week. Sounds like a dream job - for someone.

Quote:
Job Title: English Teacher (live-in)
Located at: Zhongshan City (China)->map
Vacancy: 2
Salary: $4500 CNY
Requisites:
Required fields of expertise: , Teaching conversational English
Details:
Nature of work: Live with a local family. Provide them opportunities to speak English. Let them learn the language through immersion with you. You can likewise learn Chinese from them.
Location: Xiao Lan Town, Zhongshan City - a prosperous industrial town, 45 minutes from city center. Zhongshan City is 1-1.5 hours from Zhuhai-Macau border.
Terms:
* Basic salary: RMB4,500 per month
* Time: 3 months to one year depending on requirements of family
* Work hours: 8 hours a day, 6 days a week
* Travel expenses from and to country of origin
* Visa expenses
* Board and lodging
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kungfuman wrote:
This came in my email today. 4500y a month for 8 hours a day x 6 days a week. Sounds like a dream job - for someone.

Quote:
Job Title: English Teacher (live-in)
Located at: Zhongshan City (China)->map
Vacancy: 2
Salary: $4500 CNY
Requisites:
Required fields of expertise: , Teaching conversational English
Details:
Nature of work: Live with a local family. Provide them opportunities to speak English. Let them learn the language through immersion with you. You can likewise learn Chinese from them.
Location: Xiao Lan Town, Zhongshan City - a prosperous industrial town, 45 minutes from city center. Zhongshan City is 1-1.5 hours from Zhuhai-Macau border.
Terms:
* Basic salary: RMB4,500 per month
* Time: 3 months to one year depending on requirements of family
* Work hours: 8 hours a day, 6 days a week
* Travel expenses from and to country of origin
* Visa expenses
* Board and lodging


That is by far the worst offer I've seen for China.
23 RMB/Hour roughly.

I once had a rich woman want me to move in with her.... She'd pay me a hell of a lot more, drive me back to uni when I had to teach there. I think she was a little bored and going through a phase of wanting to learn English. Though, I did let her treat me to some great meals out!
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