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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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JN
Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 214
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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"He even speaks Native American." What is that?!
Well, I've never met anyone who spoke more than 5 languages fluently. I'll just continue teaching those I work with English and continuing working on my 3rd language. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Dear JN,
Native American is a very broad category:
"A common misconception is that there was one Native American language. In reality, there were perhaps a thousand languages spoken in the Americas before the arrival of Europeans - about 250 in the present territory of the United States alone."
Here in New Mexico, the Navajo language is used:
"Navajo has more speakers than any other Native American language north of the U.S.�Mexico border, with between 120,000 and 170,700 speakers. This was the primary language used by the "Code Talkers" to baffle the Japanese in WWII.
In the States, these were the original "native speakers."
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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It's hard to gauge fluency from snippets and/or prepared speech. One thing I'd like a better look at, and at all of them, are his books. I imagine he's made more of a start, and in more foreign languages, than most people ever will, though! |
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JN
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Oh, I know that there is no "Native American" language, but that there are many different languages. I just thought it was funny that the reporter said "Native American." I hadn't heard that term used as a language before. |
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Teacher in Rome
Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Posts: 1286
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Just a quick question about native American languages. I assume that most - if not all - L1 speakers of a native American language speak English. How many L1 speakers of English also try to learn or speak a native American language? For example, Johnslat, have you ever tried to learn Navajo? |
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Perilla

Joined: 09 Jul 2010 Posts: 792 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:44 am Post subject: |
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I knew a guy in HK who spoke 11 languages to a high level. I tried his Spanish, which is the only other language I'd claim to have any ability at, and he ran rings around me even though it was one of his "weaker" languages.
He had an interesting background to partly account for his ability. He was born in Thailand (hence Thai) to an Italian mother (hence Italian) and father from one of the Thai hill tribes (hence that language too), but was brought up using English at international school. He was later schooled in HK (hence Cantonese). Then he studied at university in Switzerland (hence French and German and he studied Spanish as a subsidiary). Then he did a postgrad degree in Taiwan and so added Putonghua.
The other two I can't remember, but there were 11. Portuguese was perhaps another one. He was head of hospitality at a big HK restaurant, so he got to use many of his languages frequently. It goes without saying, but he had a knack for it! |
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Grimace420
Joined: 24 Sep 2011 Posts: 88 Location: Madriz
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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A modest but accomplished hyperpolyglot. |
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simon44
Joined: 15 Mar 2013 Posts: 118
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:45 am Post subject: |
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My father was a polyglot - he was professor of Scandinavian languages at Leicester University. He was born and raised in Egypt.
The languages that he was fluent in - as far as I can remember were:
English
Arabic
French
Swedish
Norwegian
Danish
Icelandic
Irish Gaelic
Greek
Latin
Ancient Greek
Romanian
and probably various others...
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:07 am Post subject: |
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simon, could you maybe define what 'Irish Gaelic' is? Not familiar with that one.... |
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HLJHLJ
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:14 am Post subject: |
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simon, could you maybe define what 'Irish Gaelic' is? Not familiar with that one.... |
It's also called 'Irish', but that term is also used colloquially to mean the form of English spoken in Ireland. In the UK 'Gaelic' usually means the form of Gaelic spoken in Scotland. So 'Irish Gaelic' is used for clarity when you want to specify exactly which language you mean. |
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Perilla

Joined: 09 Jul 2010 Posts: 792 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:48 am Post subject: |
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HLJHLJ wrote: |
spiral78 wrote: |
simon, could you maybe define what 'Irish Gaelic' is? Not familiar with that one.... |
It's also called 'Irish', but that term is also used colloquially to mean the form of English spoken in Ireland. In the UK 'Gaelic' usually means the form of Gaelic spoken in Scotland. So 'Irish Gaelic' is used for clarity when you want to specify exactly which language you mean. |
Interesting, as I always associated Gaelic more with Ireland than Scotland. Also not to be confused with the other Celtic languages - Welsh, Breton, Cornish and Manx (Manx being another form of Gaelic). |
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HLJHLJ
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:59 am Post subject: |
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I'd guess that's because Irish Gaelic is recognised both in Ireland and internationally as an official language but Scottish Gaelic isn't (it's a recognised language, but it's not an official language).
That's likely to change fairly soon as there is increasing pressure to have it recognised in the UK, so that it has the same status as Welsh. |
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spiral78

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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:16 am Post subject: |
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It's also called 'Irish', but that term is also used colloquially to mean the form of English spoken in Ireland. |
I'm not speaking as any direct authority here, but my Irish colleague informs me that 'Irish' is not used to mean the English spoken in Ireland. He says that would be akin to referring to 'USAian' or 'Canadian' as a specific form of English.... |
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HLJHLJ
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:33 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
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It's also called 'Irish', but that term is also used colloquially to mean the form of English spoken in Ireland. |
I'm not speaking as any direct authority here, but my Irish colleague informs me that 'Irish' is not used to mean the English spoken in Ireland. He says that would be akin to referring to 'USAian' or 'Canadian' as a specific form of English.... |
It wouldn't surprise me if it isn't used that way in Ireland, but it most certainly is in England (colloquially at least). |
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