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goroh
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 Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:28 pm Post subject: Breaking Your Contract in China: New Consequences for Pullin |
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part of the article:
Consequences for expats breaching their contracts
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There are some new rules to the game that you should take into consideration before breaking your contract via midnight run. As of February 1, 2013, the State Administration of Foreign Expert Affairs (SAFEA) now has an online database where companies can put the personal information (including nationality and passport number) of foreign employees who�ve breached their contracts. (Click here to see a sample list of midnight running expats). Major breaches of privacy aside, having your information on this list will also red flag your name with other companies looking to hire you and seriously damage your credibility. Furthermore, if the company reports you, they can have you blacklisted from China for three years or more if they�re really looking to seek revenge. In the worst-case scenario, which might be more prevalent with major corporations rather than ESL institutions, a lawsuit can be filed. Though law suits are much less common in China than they are in the West, they�re definitely the last place a foreigner wants to be since, as China Law Blog warns, foreigners tend to do �poorly� in Chinese courts when facing contract disputes |
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http://www.echinacities.com/expat-corner/Breaking-Your-Contract-in-China-New-Consequences-for-Pulling-a-Midnight-Run
We've all heard about shitlist, but this time they provide a link to some kind of a list with runners...http://www.safea.gov.cn/content.shtml?id=12746016
interesting. |
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lemak
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| Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Haha. I worked with one of those guys who did a runner last semester. He vowed he'd never be back in China, so I doubt he'll give a crap when I email him.
Some of these schools in a sense are dumb in that they are also blacklisting themselves. See the same place of employment listed more than a couple of times and it sets of some red flags that the school obviously has some issues. |
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rogerwilco
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| Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| lemak wrote: |
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Some of these schools in a sense are dumb in that they are also blacklisting themselves. See the same place of employment listed more than a couple of times and it sets of some red flags that the place obviously has some issues. |
I agree. I would be hesitant to work at any of the schools listed because I would suspect the school to either treat the FT's unfairly, or to be especially vengeful. |
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Shroob
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| Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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There have been rumours of a nationwide blacklist for a while, I don't think it will be enforced personally.
The list of names is also suspect, it looks somewhat suspect...
Harlequin Takahashi
Slaughter Dexter Carl
Kyle Au
Dirk Holderied
Iain James Gareth Fletcher
Ali Hubdar
Lujan Judith Harbin
Doyle Dustin Wyatt
Spitler Daniel Bruce |
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GreatApe
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:12 am Post subject: |
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That list does look a bit suspect, but the original article still offers some pretty solid advice, especially for new EFL teachers coming to the PRC for the first time.
--GA |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:39 am Post subject: |
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I doubt any school would go though the trouble of doing anything other than posting a name. I would imagine that to enact the actual three year ban and/or lawsuit they would need to submit proof. If proof exists then I could see why they would do it.
Sometimes FTs do screw over schools. It would be nice if the same organization would beef up the rules on schools that break contracts. It would be interesting if FTs could get the license to hire foreigners suspended for three years for example. |
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Javelin of Radiance
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| The names on the list look fine, the one with Harbin added probably a mistake where they added the city to her name. Remember those are just foreign experts who were blacklisted, they weren't necessarily teaching English. |
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lemak
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Dexter Slaughter would be an awesome name, however. |
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dean_a_jones
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Shroob wrote: |
There have been rumours of a nationwide blacklist for a while, I don't think it will be enforced personally.
The list of names is also suspect, it looks somewhat suspect...
Harlequin Takahashi
Slaughter Dexter Carl
Kyle Au
Dirk Holderied
Iain James Gareth Fletcher
Ali Hubdar
Lujan Judith Harbin
Doyle Dustin Wyatt
Spitler Daniel Bruce |
Hmm, perhaps they were teachers named by their students or took part in some kind of algorithmic naming experiment gone awry. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| lemak wrote: |
| Dexter Slaughter would be an awesome name, however. |
Almost as cool as Buck Naked. |
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5h09un
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
| The names on the list look fine, the one with Harbin added probably a mistake where they added the city to her name. Remember those are just foreign experts who were blacklisted, they weren't necessarily teaching English. |
all of the people on that list were teaching at colleges, vocational schools or training centers.
but one of the people listed is from pakistan. i thought it wasn't legal for people from pakistan to work as english teachers in china. |
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NoBillyNO
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Where did u get that idea. Here on Dave's? |
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5h09un
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| NoBillyNO wrote: |
| Where did u get that idea. Here on Dave's? |
what idea? |
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NoBillyNO
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| i thought it wasn't legal for people from pakistan to work as english teachers in china. |
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lemak
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Many schools can get around that whole pesky "Native speaker only" thing if they have good enough guanxi or can prove the foreign teacher can speak English well enough - as happens with many Filippinos out in the boonie provinces where they are desperate.
Man - at a local training center I did some part time work at last year of the 20 or so foreigners on staff I swear only 3 or 4 were actually what we'd define as native speaker. They had Israelis, Nigerians, even a Botswanan and a Thai.
Not to mention just because he's a "Foreign Expert" it doesn't necessarily have to be in English. Maybe he teaches Urdu, or being that he works at Xinjang Agricultural Uni maybe the guy teaches advanced cultivation methods or something. |
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