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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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RoscoeTX
Joined: 06 Jul 2012 Posts: 56 Location: Moscow, Russia
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Sash, if you love Russia so much, why don't you marry it?
Maybe I've spent too many years teaching these damn YL! |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Tsk tsk! Blaming Russia for deficiencies in classroom contexts. That's what the Piggies do!!
Learn to love Russia! Feel her loving embrace! Or run the risk of her wrath...
Now, back to my book about Napoleon's misadventures in 1812. Complex but foolish Corsican... |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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The Iron Lady is no more. Forward the state.. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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So, where are you celebrating, Cole?
Russians generally love Maggie. Always surprised to learn she is viciously hated by vast sections of British society (though society doesn't exist...) Rather like how Gorby is despised by many, many Russians to this day.
I wonder if there's an 'isgorbydeadyet.ru' website too? |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Read this:
http://neilharding.blogspot.ru/2005/10/20-reasons-why-i-hate-thatcher.html
I know Russians think she was a good leader. When they tell me, I remind them that she and her pal Ronald Reagan encouraged Boris Yeltsin to give them that time of deregulation that they or their parents enjoyed so much in Russia and the redistribution of Russia's wealth to the owner of Chelsea Football Club and a few other worthy causes.
Likewise, they call Gorbachev a traitor. Again, Yeltsin's your man for betrayal, not Mick G. 'Gorby' saved the East from much bloodshed.
Sorry, I know this is all revisionist roading, but I await the official line. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Dunno what you are wittering about there, Cole. The Union of Soviets stands as strong and firm as ever. Possibly a little firmer, not that the Iron Lady is no longer plotting and scheming against us. Which thread is this, though? |
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Foma87
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 116 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Surely she wasn't as appalling as Reagan�BTW nice post! |
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Foma87
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 116 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Surely she wasn't as appalling as Reagan�BTW nice post! |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Well she and Reagan were a double act. |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Celebration: well, I went to a supermarket which sells a bottle of English bitter (a beer, aka 'real ale') and quietly settled my neck round it while listening to the eulogies to what a terrific old bint she was.
Re Gorbachev: yes he is hated in Russia. I keep trying to tell people that if anybody was a traitor it was Yeltsin. (The traitor label was given to Mick by one of the people who engineered the failed coup against him, if I remember correctly. But as things do, the label stuck.) |
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Avogadro's Number
Joined: 30 Aug 2012 Posts: 14 Location: North Caucasus
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:26 am Post subject: |
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I can't recall ever meeting a Russian who didn't hate Gorbachev. But I also have a number of students who are either refugees or the children of refugees from the former Soviet Republics. They hate him specifically because perestroika awakened these national independence movements and Gorbachev was unwilling to protect Russian minorities living there.
Meanwhile, he is praised to the heavens in the West, partly for the same reason - he let the Eastern Bloc countries go without a fight. Unfortunately, this only emboldened the national minorities within the Soviet Union itself. |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Sashadroogie wrote: |
So, where are you celebrating, Cole?
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Elets, Lipetsk Oblast. |
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RiverMystic
Joined: 13 Jan 2009 Posts: 1986
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Avogadro's Number wrote: |
I can't recall ever meeting a Russian who didn't hate Gorbachev. But I also have a number of students who are either refugees or the children of refugees from the former Soviet Republics. They hate him specifically because perestroika awakened these national independence movements and Gorbachev was unwilling to protect Russian minorities living there.
Meanwhile, he is praised to the heavens in the West, partly for the same reason - he let the Eastern Bloc countries go without a fight. Unfortunately, this only emboldened the national minorities within the Soviet Union itself. |
No doubt these nationalists are forever diminished now that the border is only 3000 miles away instead of 5000 miles away. The human ego is at its ugliest when it is channeled into a collective narcissism. Everyone dies, and all their attachments die too. All empires die - and all their attached subservient lands and peoples must be released. It is just a matter of time. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure I follow this... |
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