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DublinGirl17



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:36 am    Post subject: Moving to Vietnam, Confused! Reply with quote

Hi,

I would like to move to Vietnam this summer to work teaching english, but I am very confused about how to go about it as I am reading lots of conflicting things on the internet which is leaving me very confused! I want to do things correctly so I hope someone can help! So here it goes!

I have read that the majority of schools hire from face to face meetings (I have had no joy applying online), but I have had lots of replys saying when I get to Vietnam to call in to the office for an interview.I know that I cannot get a working visa until I am employed, so should I get a 3 month tourist visa to give myself time to find a job once I get there?

Because of the above, I do not want to book return flights incase I do get a job, otherwise the return flight will be a waste of money, is this even possible to get a 3 month hoilday visa without having a return flight?

If I do not have a return flight but i have the visa will there be trouble at the airport?

I hope someone can help clear all this up.

C x
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1st Sgt Welsh



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi DublinGirl17,

The vast majority of hiring is done inside the country. That's just the way it is done here. I'd get a three-month multiple entry visa to start with and then hit the pavement and try and find a job when I arrive. To teach legally you need a degree (bring the original plus transcripts), a teaching certificate (e.g. a CELTA), a police background check from your home country and a health check (but this can be done in Vietnam).

In regards, to a return ticket, it's only an issue if they ask for it and, in the vast, vast majority of cases, they don't appear to. A lot of people who are traveling in Vietnam also make their way to Cambodia and Laos via bus and boat so when they arrive here they don't have return air tickets from Vietnam either. I haven't heard of this causing any problems, but that's not to say it doesn't. Furthermore, there is no rule saying you have to return to your home country - you just have to prove an 'outward journey'. So, for example, if you could produce a cheap Air Asia ticket for a flight in three months time from Hanoi or Saigon to Bangkok that would, I'm sure, cover all the bases with immigration in case you are a little bit nervous about it.
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DublinGirl17



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sgt Welsh,

Thanks a million for clearing that up - I was actually thinking of that, buying a cheap air ticket to Cambodia just in case.

I have no problem visiting schools when I arrive, hopefully it will all work out for me. As far as I can see, this seems to be the best way of finding a job.

Thanks again
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vabeckele



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:48 am    Post subject: Confirmation Reply with quote

What the Sarge, said.

I only had a one way ticket. One thing that confused me in the beginning was the visa. I could not (and still can't) figure out how a 3 month business visa is issued to tourists. However, this is the norm, just apply for the 3 month multiple entry visa and you will get it. Don't be surprised if you get a confirmation email with a list of other people on it (that is if you do it online). This too is normal and take it with you.

Have a picture or two ready at the airport and fill out a precursory form, pay the guy his 50 bucks and off you go.

Even if you have no degree or a super special 4 week teaching cert. you will find work, lots of it. Especially if you can deal with kids.
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DublinGirl17



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Vabeckele,

It is SO confusing reading up about the different visas! And the internet has too much information, great to hear from people who have been there, done that!

Also good to hear that there is plenty of work.
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1st Sgt Welsh



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Confirmation Reply with quote

vabeckele wrote:


Have a picture or two ready at the airport and fill out a precursory form, pay the guy his 50 bucks and off you go.


Interesting. If their visa etc. is in order, I've never heard of immigration shaking down 'Westerners' at the airport. However, my understanding is that the Viet Kieus (ethnic Vietnamese who live abroad) are a very different matter. I've got a friend who is a Viet Kieu and also a British subject. Anyway, this one time, immigration at Tan Son Nhat Airport decided they needed him to pay some 'tea money' in exchange for letting him into the country. He just told them to get bent and waited it out. They eventually gave up and let him go through after an hour or so.

I've heard another story and I'm not sure if it's an urban myth (I hope it is). It involved a Viet Kieu family from the States returning for a visit to the old country. The mother, who was elderly, remembered what it was like back in the bad old days during the war and she slipped a hundred dollar bill into her passport so it would get stamped. Her children, who were born and bred Americans, saw this, were horrified and said she didn't have to do it. However, the mother was adamant that was just the way things worked in Vietnam. Anyway, so goes the story, they got to the immigration official, he opened the passport, saw the hundred and then demanded a crisper note Rolling Eyes.
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vabeckele



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:18 pm    Post subject: confusing Reply with quote

Sorry, Sarge, and Dublingirl17.

Oh, and well caught, Sarge.

If you have been to the Vietnamese embassy in your home country you will not have to pay the 50 dollar fee as the visa will already be in your passport and paid for.

If, however you come with a visa-on-arrival you pay firstly for the service of getting the information ready at your port of entry and then on arrival, pay for the actual visa stamp to be stamped, on the spot. Which is 50 dollars, I think for the 3 month multiple entry.
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pid



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dublingirl. I take it you're Irish? I'm from Leitrim/Dublin and I'm arriving in Hanoi on the 1st September and starting a CELTA course on the 9th.

What are your plans in general? Have you taught ESL before?

I'm interested in seeing how you get on. Quite a few people on here have a negative opinion on the ESL situation in Vietnam, though anyone I've spoken to in real life seems to love it.

Patrick
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TRH



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to buy a r/t ticket when I came but I am 99% sure that was airline policy and not VN government policy. The airline does not want to be obligated to haul you back for free if you get turned away by immigration at the airport. You might want to see what the price difference is between one way and round trip. Often the difference is minimal. Maybe it is no more than that Hanoi>Bangkok ticket you were thinking about.

I knew about visa on arrival but chose not to use it. Somehow I feel a little better getting on a plane with the visa already glued into my passport. I guess it's a lot like electronic tickets. They were scary when they first came out but now we are all used to them.
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VietCanada



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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The title of this thread started me on a search for an antonym for oxymoron. Tautology maybe but that's not a very interesting word. Pleonasm was offered. Too obscure.

I came here with a tourist visa from a VN embassy and a one way ticket. That was just over four years ago. I was surprised to find that I could enter on a one way ticket but I think a lot of tourists could use this place as a starting point to explore the whole region and probably exit by train, bus or motorbike. Maybe even by sea.

I changed my visa after I had work and after the three months validity was up.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: Confirmation Reply with quote

vabeckele wrote:

Even if you have no degree or a super special 4 week teaching cert. you will find work, lots of it. Especially if you can deal with kids.


Yep, very true, No Degree, No TEFL, NO PROBLEM! Can you teach kids? I mean teach basic vocab words over and over again? Play games? Sing songs? And make SURE you do ALL of this with a nice dress shirt and a tie for the guys and a nice business suit or dress for the ladies... Why do they (The Vietnamese schools) need a native-speaker to teach 6 year-olds how to say "Apple, Orange, Banana"? Simple. Because the kids go home and tell mom & dad: "I had a white-face teacher today!"

It's a Win-Win for everybody:

The school can boast it has white native E speakers, the kids tell thier parents and the parents can brag that thier lil angel is learning E with a REAL white face teacher, and the teachers can make all that VND which can then spend on fun things down in D-1!
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kurtz



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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pid wrote:
Hi Dublingirl. I take it you're Irish? I'm from Leitrim/Dublin and I'm arriving in Hanoi on the 1st September and starting a CELTA course on the 9th.

What are your plans in general? Have you taught ESL before?

I'm interested in seeing how you get on. Quite a few people on here have a negative opinion on the ESL situation in Vietnam, though anyone I've spoken to in real life seems to love it.

Patrick


Hi Patrick,

May I get you to elaborate on these people who you've spoken to that said they "love it" ? What context are they teaching in Vietnam? Do they think $1200-$1500 is good money? Do they have a career path to follow?

Newbies who've just got their sparkling new CELTA and have signed up for one of the mills for a year might have slightly lower expectations than someone who has been here a number of years. That is what I see the main problem with these forums is; you have the newbies and the mid and long-termers (and a few lifers) all talking about ESL from completely different perspectives.
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TRH



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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kurtz wrote:
That is what I see the main problem with these forums is; you have the newbies and the mid and long-termers (and a few lifers) all talking about ESL from completely different perspectives.


Have you considered that what you have correctly observed may be what is actually good about this forum. It just takes a little sorting out.
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kurtz



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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TRH wrote:
kurtz wrote:
That is what I see the main problem with these forums is; you have the newbies and the mid and long-termers (and a few lifers) all talking about ESL from completely different perspectives.


Have you considered that what you have correctly observed may be what is actually good about this forum. It just takes a little sorting out.


Hi TRH,

Yes I have considered it and it is a good thing if comments are put in context. For example, I can say 'Vietnam is an awesome place to teach, I earn 4 grand a month and have my own personal maid' but unless I include information such as my education level, my experience and where I work the statement is useless. If someone said ' I heard Vietnam is a good place to work' a host of questions need to be asked.
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Oh My God



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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kurtz wrote:
TRH wrote:
kurtz wrote:
That is what I see the main problem with these forums is; you have the newbies and the mid and long-termers (and a few lifers) all talking about ESL from completely different perspectives.


Have you considered that what you have correctly observed may be what is actually good about this forum. It just takes a little sorting out.


Hi TRH,

Yes I have considered it and it is a good thing if comments are put in context. For example, I can say 'Vietnam is an awesome place to teach, I earn 4 grand a month and have my own personal maid' but unless I include information such as my education level, my experience and where I work the statement is useless. If someone said ' I heard Vietnam is a good place to work' a host of questions need to be asked.


or maybe I've got a good deal and sharing where, is just asking for competition Wink
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