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IGIT-International Group for Training in Riyadh
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4warned



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: IGIT-International Group for Training in Riyadh Reply with quote

Anyone familiar with IGIT based in Riyadh? In their "Official Contract" they include this as a condition: 10. The Second Party shall not work for any other competitive company or perform the same activity performed by the First party for two years following the expiry of this
contract. Is this normal for KSA contracts?
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cyras



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:30 am    Post subject: IGIT contract Reply with quote

The word competitive company should be explained.
The question is that what does the other competitive company mean?
Does it mean the IGIT like companies or both the university that you will be teaching in or the universities across KSA and all placement companies.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It means that you can work as a meat-packer or an auto mechanic, etc., but you CANNOT "teach".

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In their contract, they also display a doctored logo that is identical to that of International Group for Information Technology; except that 'Information Technology" is replaced with 'Training'.

If you have received a "Saudi IGIT Official Contract" from a Mr. K, compare it with the IGIT logo at <www.igitgroup.org>.

Mr. K contacted me by phone yesterday, asking to verify my email so that he could forward a contract to me. He told me that my application had, ostensibly, been forwarded to him from Mr. G at Footprints Recruiting, and that it had been approved (without any sort of interview whatsoever--red flag!).

Since Mr. G had my email, I found it odd that Mr. K would have had my phone number but not my email address.

I, too, could find nothing on the web about International Group for Training or <igit.org>, which is Mr. K's comcast email address. Nor could I figure out what the second 'I' stood for!

When I found that others on a couple of ESL Teacher Forums had tried and failed to find any info about IGIT, my red flags began waving all over the place.

When I found that someone had been "mis-directed" to International Group for Information Technologies, I went to their website and that's when I noticed the nearly identical logo!

Mr. K cc:ed his email to me to Mr. G. I have emailed Mr. G to elicit his response. Until I hear back from him, I have suspended my application with "IGIT"!

I would suggest others do likewise.

I will let you know what, if anything, I learn from Mr. G at Footprints Recruiting.

Peace,
Todd, a/BSG

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cyras



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your research on IGIT. I�m also the one of the teachers offered a job by IGIT. Please inform us as soon as you hear back from Mr. G.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Footprints? They are offering $1000 a month LESS than any other recruiter to work at the same jobs.

How will you feel about that when you learn that teachers with equal or lesser credentials are getting $12,000 more a year than you? And now it appears that he is sharing his data.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wording in the contract is actually quite superflouous.

In order to obtain another job in KSA, you have to ask your employer for a "No Objection Cert' (NOC) which states that they have, um, no objection to you taking another job in the Kingdom after finishing your contract with them. However,they are under no obligation whatsoever to give you this certificate, and many - maybe most - employers do not give them.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In order to obtain another job in KSA, you have to ask your employer for a "No Objection Cert' (NOC) which states that they have, um, no objection to you taking another job in the Kingdom after finishing your contract with them. However,they are under no obligation whatsoever to give you this certificate, and many - maybe most - employers do not give them.

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 I understand they don�t give the NOC, but is there any possibility that one can still get another job in KSA without obtaining the NOC from previous Saudi employer?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I understand they don�t give the NOC, but is there any possibility that one can still get another job in KSA without obtaining the NOC from previous Saudi employer?


There are numerous threads on this, but in brief, if you have a job offer but no NOC, you will have to 'lose' your passport and apply for a new visa with the new passport. However, some employers won't take you without an NOC, even if you're prepared to 'lose' your passport. This is because they are technically breaking the law by taking you on without an NOC.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The wording in the contract is actually quite superflouous.
No. There is the law but it does limit fairly strictly where an employer can prevent you from working. By putting more in the contract the employer is hoping to have legal grounds against you or your future employer.

The question of NOCs is bizarre. It is not necessary to work in the Kingdom in another job, and the employer can't stop you, but the embassy won't issue you a visa if you don't have one, hence the practice of laundering passports.

Of course you could tell the employer you'll sign if he accepts the appropriate jurisdiction is that of the State of California. Non-competes, as these provisions are called, are illegal there.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Mr. Clopatra and Mr. Jones for the useful replies. I was weighing up the pros and cons of working on business/visit visa. Where there are lots of disadvantages teaching on business visa in KSA, there seems one advantage that you will not be asked by the embassy for the NOC in that situation. This is just my assumption. What do you think?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:34 am    Post subject: IGIT investigation Reply with quote

I was recently hired by IGIT after a phone interview. I am trying to be cautious after a Dubai scam I came across a couple of months ago. If anyone can send me some validating information, it would be much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been approached by 'Workforce solution' to work for the same company
and This agency has sent me a copy of the contract and asked me to sign it and send it back immediately. I am not sure what I am letting myself in for? Are you sure part 10 means other companies in Riyadh or Saudi and not anywhere?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The question of NOCs is bizarre. It is not necessary to work in the Kingdom in another job, and the employer can't stop you


I personally know of someone who was refused an NOC, took the usual step of 'losing' his passport and returned to work for another employer within months. His previous employer found out and had him deported. This is why many employers wont' take you on without an NOC, even if you're prepared to get a new passport.


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you will not be asked by the embassy for the NOC in that situation. This is just my assumption. What do you think?


That's true - because on a business visa you're not supposed to be working at all. You can't be asked for an NOC if, according to your visa status, you've never been employed in KSA.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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