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kungfuman
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 Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:27 am Post subject: Why it's so hard to have respect for our employers |
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~ because they show total lack of respect for their employees.
My contract expires 3rd week of June. I mentioned to my boss that I should get the airfare payment this coming pay period. He says " No we usually pay it in September when you return."
Umm WHAT????
I have the contract in my hand. I show it to him and say, "No, it says at the end of the contract. Contract's over next week."
He replies, "Oh I'll check with accounting..."
Seriously, I work there for a year, never cause trouble and simply expect what I was promised.
At present, my chances of actually showing up next September have just diminished. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:57 am Post subject: |
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perhaps you do not show the proper respect for your chinese overlords?
ask them for training; they will surely oblige.
here's a text to help you get started:
"Kowtow, which is borrowed from k�u t�u in Mandarin Chinese, is the act of deep respect shown by prostration, that is, kneeling and bowing so low as to have one's head touching the ground. An alternative Chinese term is ketou, however the meaning is somewhat altered: k�u has the general meaning of knock, whereas kē has the general meaning of "touch upon (a surface)", t�u meaning head.
In Han Chinese culture, the kowtow is the highest sign of reverence. It was widely used to show reverence for one's elders, superiors, and especially the Emperor, as well as for religious and cultural objects of worship. " |
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DirtGuy
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I'm am practicing my kow tow now, but I don't think my tired, old body will not allow such a position.
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U99A
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| Chinese screw each other too so I guess it isn't personal. |
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mwaltman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Why it's so hard to have respect for our employers |
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| kungfuman wrote: |
~ because they show total lack of respect for their employees.
My contract expires 3rd week of June. I mentioned to my boss that I should get the airfare payment this coming pay period. He says " No we usually pay it in September when you return."
Umm WHAT????
I have the contract in my hand. I show it to him and say, "No, it says at the end of the contract. Contract's over next week."
He replies, "Oh I'll check with accounting..."
Seriously, I work there for a year, never cause trouble and simply expect what I was promised.
At present, my chances of actually showing up next September have just diminished. |
Your FAO is only the hiring authority. He has no say over how the school accounting department handles things. They only know the norm of when folks get paid. Slamming on your FAO is weak tea dude for something has nothing to do with. You should be thanking him he for what he'll basically do, which is get the school to pay you out of their normal procedure. |
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Harbin
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Why it's so hard to have respect for our employers |
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| mwaltman wrote: |
| You should be thanking him he for what he'll basically do, which is get the school to pay you out of their normal procedure. |
You want him to be thankful the school *might* honor and follow the contract they wrote? Is it possible for one's expectations to be any lower? |
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kev7161
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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I was thrown for a minor loop recently. My contracts have always run from July 1st of this year to June 30th of next year. I get paid 1/2 salary for July and August (plus a little extra something for my extra job duties), which is generally paid at the first part of September. It would be foolish of the school to pay this "bonus" month beforehand not knowing if a teacher were truly going to return or not.
However, every year, I get my July 1/2 pay at the end of June (and then the August pay and extra job duty money in the beginning of September). They just started doing this several cycles ago because they trust me (no, really). Also, my salary increases every new contract (starting July 1st) so I get "bonus" of my NEW salary. This year, the new guy in charge tried to tell me the "bonus" pay is the old salary from the previous contract. "That's how everyone gets paid" is what he said. Of course I set him straight and I suppose I'll get my new salary as usual, but I won't know until that pay comes in a couple weeks from now.  |
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DirtGuy
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The FAO is sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place. I understand this when such things as not getting paid because the VP that handles payroll is on vacation and no-one knows when he is coming back. What a bunch of selfish and incompetent a**holes. The FAO takes good care of us there is nothing she can do in this and other situations. Why rag on her?
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GuestBob
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Payroll isn't normally something which is delayed for Chinese staff. The money for university teachers in China actually comes from a budget disbursement from the Provincial MoE.
If the departmental VP's signature on your paycheck is a must then even odds it's because you aren't paid from central payroll but from a department account. Yeah. Check your tax receipts if that is the case.
As for flight allowances - obviously they will need a signature or two but it isn't rocket science and if I were you I would be offended by the treatment. I am lucky enough to have a very open and professional FAO where I work and although there are sometimes problems, there are always explanations and never suspicions - on either part. This was one of the big reasons why I chose to work where I do. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Why it's so hard to have respect for our employers |
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| mwaltman wrote: |
Your FAO is only the hiring authority. He has no say over how the school accounting department handles things. They only know the norm of when folks get paid. Slamming on your FAO is weak tea dude for something has nothing to do with. You should be thanking him he for what he'll basically do, which is get the school to pay you out of their normal procedure. |
I'm guessing you work at my school - as you are totally wrong about your statement.
In this case the fao is the director of the esl department and has total say over who makes what and what they do and when they get paid.
In effect, he has openly lied to me. Thus, regardless of any loyalty I might have had for him and the school, has been totally eroded by his actions. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Why it's so hard to have respect for our employers |
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| Harbin wrote: |
| mwaltman wrote: |
| You should be thanking him he for what he'll basically do, which is get the school to pay you out of their normal procedure. |
You want him to be thankful the school *might* honor and follow the contract they wrote? Is it possible for one's expectations to be any lower? |
^ Exactly. |
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GuestBob
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Why it's so hard to have respect for our employers |
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| kungfuman wrote: |
| In this case the fao is the director of the esl department and has total say over who makes what and what they do and when they get paid. |
If you work at a state university then this statement is incorrect.
He may be in charge of the sharp end of things, but there are alot of other people looking at the bottom line as well.
He can certainly get your flight allowance out of the kitty for you though, oh yes. But I just take issue with the breadth of the powers you ascribed him. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Why it's so hard to have respect for our employers |
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| GuestBob wrote: |
| kungfuman wrote: |
| In this case the fao is the director of the esl department and has total say over who makes what and what they do and when they get paid. |
If you work at a state university then this statement is incorrect.
He may be in charge of the sharp end of things, but there are alot of other people looking at the bottom line as well.
He can certainly get your flight allowance out of the kitty for you though, oh yes. But I just take issue with the breadth of the powers you ascribed him. |
So you work in my school also? You know the hierarchy in my school? You know who does what in my school? If the answer is no then how can you challenge my statement? |
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GuestBob
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Why it's so hard to have respect for our employers |
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| kungfuman wrote: |
| So you work in my school also? You know the hierarchy in my school? You know who does what in my school? If the answer is no then how can you challenge my statement? |
I am sorry, you are asking me to prove that state sector organizations have budget oversight for departments?
For my next amazing feat, perhaps I could post a picture of a bear in the woods.
I am not suggesting that your boss is right in this - I agree that he is wrong. But he, and plenty of other people, can't simply pull money out of their ass whenever they want to do something. Large education organizations don't work like that (and no, China is not some mystical Oriental exception to this). Your boss has to ask for a budget (and probably your flight expenses as well) just like everyone else. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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So WHY do you assume I work in a state sector organizations ?
And why would a school - department have to "Pull money out of their butt" when it is already included in a contract about to expire? |
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