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KatiePowers



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:03 pm    Post subject: New here, serious questions about Japan... Reply with quote

Hello!

I'm new to this forum and had a few questions about teaching in Japan. While I have read over the older posts, I also understand things are always changing and different people may have different experiences. So, I've made up my mind that teaching ESL overseas is what I want to do with my life. It's not something I've taken lightly and I'm quite confident in this decision. Now I need to figure out how to do so.

I've searched extensively online and compiled a list of ~30 Eikaiwa chains and ALT dispatch companies of varying sizes and reputations. Of course, I'd love to get picked up by Aeon, ECC, Interac or Heart, but I'm also applying to smaller chains as well.

Oh, when I graduate next year I'll have a bachelor's degree, as well as a CELTA and some good volunteer experience, both with adults and children. I'll also have good work experience in a supervisory capacity along with decent references from my boss. I've also visited Japan 3 times on vacation, and should have JLPT N5, at least.

I have a few questions in regards to maximizing my chances of getting hired:


1. The obvious one; am I on the right track with my qualifications? I'm planning to apply to literally everything and take the best offer I can get.


2. Should I leave the CELTA off my resume for the larger schools? I understand that they tend to have a fairly rigid in-house teaching system, and I don't want to come across as some loose cannon that will try and resist learning it. Also, would this be seen as dishonesty if it was later revealed I had it?


3. I'm really interested in Gaba. Is it possible to work as an ALT during the day, and sign up for evening and weekend teaching with Gaba? I'm to understand that is when they need people the most, but this sounds like a too-good-to-be-true scenario.


4. Do schools or dispatch companies have prohibition against teaching private lessons outside of work (obviously not with their students, of course)?


5. Tangential to that, is it possible to offer free English lessons to people? I won't really know anyone in Japan when I get there and it seems a quick and fun way to make friends.


6. I've heard horror stories about the grammar tests for ECC and Aeon. Does anyone know of a book they can recommend to help me brush up on it? I mean, I've been writing essays for a few years now at the university level, but I feel like I'm still weak in it. Any book recommendations would be appreciated!


7. Haha, any further advice or such would be appreciated!



Actually, 8 (only semi-serious)... I read the "Charisma Man" comics... do all Western women turn out like that? I should hope not javascript:emoticon('Confused')
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rtm



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: New here, serious questions about Japan... Reply with quote

1. You seem to be on track to me. I'm assuming your "volunteer experience" is ESL-related, since you listed it with your CELTA. If you can get some practical ESL teaching/assisting experience, that might help.

2. I wouldn't leave it off, as it shows you have some idea what you're doing in the classroom. Then again, I've never worked for one of those big chains, so I can't say what their reaction would be.

3. & 4. In my experience, most contracts include a clause prohibiting you from working elsewhere. Also, ALT work and eikaiwa work require different kinds of visas, so you'd be working outside of what your visa allows (unless you ask for permission from the government to allow work outside of your visa category). That said, I've known people who did ALT work and some eikaiwa work on the side, and were fine as long as their ALT employer didn't find out.

5. If you want to offer free lessons, you might be better off doing a language partner/exchange type thing where you meet for, say, an hour and you speak in English for 30 minutes and Japanese for 30 minutes, so you both get speaking practice. If you want to offer free classes, I'm sure people would take you up on it, but I'm not sure if I'd want to use that as a way to make friends.

6. No idea what is on the ECC or AEON tests -- sorry.

8. No, of course not. The experience is what you make it.
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nightsintodreams



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you're on the right track to landing an entry level job here.

5, Please don't offer free English lessons to people in return for friendship, you're effectively paying someone $30 an hour to be your friend which is quite frankly pathetic. You could also potentially be taking business away from another teacher.

8,keep your weight in check and you'll stand a better chance. The girls I've met who've stayed longer than a year or two are almost always fairly slim. Bigger girls usually get bitter within a year or two.

Good luck!
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: New here, serious questions about Japan... Reply with quote

KatiePowers wrote:
1. The obvious one; am I on the right track with my qualifications? I'm planning to apply to literally everything and take the best offer I can get.

Yes, you are. You seem to be sensible and have the right attitude. If you come across the same way in your resumé and job interview, and if you're not too fussy about location, I reckon you have a pretty good chance.
KatiePowers wrote:
2. Should I leave the CELTA off my resume for the larger schools?

No, keep it on your resumé. It shows you're serious about teaching. Don't believe the cynics.
KatiePowers wrote:
3. I'm really interested in Gaba. Is it possible to work as an ALT during the day, and sign up for evening and weekend teaching with Gaba? I'm to understand that is when they need people the most, but this sounds like a too-good-to-be-true scenario.

Most eikaiwa will have you working in the evenings, too, for pretty much the same reason.

In any case, unless you're super-energetic, I would advise against moonlighting for at least the first 6 months. Concentrate on getting to grips with your main job first.

And I only recommend GABA as a last resort. The pay sucks. Try to get private students through other means.
KatiePowers wrote:
4. Do schools or dispatch companies have prohibition against teaching private lessons outside of work (obviously not with their students, of course)?

Yes, if they have any sense. They don't want you burning yourself out.
KatiePowers wrote:
5. Tangential to that, is it possible to offer free English lessons to people? I won't really know anyone in Japan when I get there and it seems a quick and fun way to make friends.

You won't need to try very hard. A not inconsiderable fraction of the population will be begging you for opportunities to practice their English.
KatiePowers wrote:
6. I've heard horror stories about the grammar tests for ECC and Aeon. Does anyone know of a book they can recommend to help me brush up on it? I mean, I've been writing essays for a few years now at the university level, but I feel like I'm still weak in it. Any book recommendations would be appreciated!

Your grammar looks fine to me. I presume you've mastered subtleties such as the difference between "imply" and "infer", or "ensure" and "insure". There are a lot of people out there -- including English teachers -- who haven't, and I reckon they're the ones who complain most about grammar tests.

Having said that, the problem I always have with these grammar tests is that they never make it clear exactly which version of English they want you to use. For example, which of the following is correct:

a. Bob is hairier than I.
b. Bob is hairier than me.

a. To whom did you give them?
b. Who did you give them to?

If your answers were "a", you're correct. Saying "better than I" and "to whom" shows that you have imbibed the prescriptions of formal English grammar.

If your answers were "b", you're also correct. This is the "natural" grammar of a native English speaker, without all those ridiculous pseduo-Latinate embellishments that 18th century writers tacked on in an attempt to sound superior.

If your answers were "it depends" then you're clearly a trouble-making know-it-all, and not the kind of person we want in our English language school.

So, if you can, try to find out which kind of "correctness" ECC / Aeon looking for.
KatiePowers wrote:
7. Haha, any further advice or such would be appreciated!

The biggest hurdle is getting the first work visa. If you're a citizen of a country that has a Working Holiday Visa agreement with Japan (so not the US), that might be a good way to get in. In principle, the WHV is for people who intend to return to their home country once the visa has expired, but in practice, I understand that it's possible to switch from WHV to a regular work visa once you've found a job.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't worry about putting on the CELTA on your resume, if you already have it. You can make it clear that you want to adopt the model. I say be who you are, not what others went you to be. (Maybe that's bad Japan advice.)

While getting a CELTA degree is an excellent idea for your career long-term, I think the grammar training would help. Other instruction can actually hurt a bit. The more ideas you have about teaching English, the harder it is to "deprogram" these views once you get to Japan, regardless of which company and accompanying methodology you choose.

So all things being equal, I would go to Japan first, then get the CELTA afterwards.

Is your primary goal to teach English abroad, or to teach English in Japan specifically? Any two cents I provide would depend on this answer.

Also, why are you interested in working in Japan in particular?

I looked up Charisma Man on Wikipedia. I think the Western women are portrayed in a certain way because of the main character's point of view, but I don't know. I don't read comic books.
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KatiePowers



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rslrunner wrote:
I wouldn't worry about putting on the CELTA on your resume, if you already have it. You can make it clear that you want to adopt the model. I say be who you are, not what others went you to be. (Maybe that's bad Japan advice.)

While getting a CELTA degree is an excellent idea for your career long-term, I think the grammar training would help. Other instruction can actually hurt a bit. The more ideas you have about teaching English, the harder it is to "deprogram" these views once you get to Japan, regardless of which company and accompanying methodology you choose.

So all things being equal, I would go to Japan first, then get the CELTA afterwards.

Is your primary goal to teach English abroad, or to teach English in Japan specifically? Any two cents I provide would depend on this answer.

Also, why are you interested in working in Japan in particular?

I looked up Charisma Man on Wikipedia. I think the Western women are portrayed in a certain way because of the main character's point of view, but I don't know. I don't read comic books.


My primary goal is to move to Japan forever and make a living there. I love teaching (I've been a dance instructor since I was 14) and so I am confident that I would enjoy teaching English, either to kids or adults (I love kids, but know that most adults are more motivated).

Why Japan? I visited there to see friends from school, fell in love with the mountains and beaches, love the fashions, and was amazed at the politeness and lack of creepy people I encounter every day here at home. It's also well connected to a lot of other places I want to visit. And finally, I have a lifelong dream of learning Ikebana.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People on this forum like to ask that question so that they can judge whether or not your reason is worthy enough to be moving to Japan.

Personally, I came here for video games, girls, culture and because I thought it looked cool. A lot of the foreigners here like to stick their noses up at that and think they have more of a reason to be here because their wife is Japanese, they study martial arts, do shoudo or weave baskets or some crap. Don't worry what your reason is, as long as it's good enough for you, that's enough.

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fell in love with the mountains and beaches, love the fashions, and was amazed at the politeness and lack of creepy people I encounter every day here at home.


Having said that, I'm not sure where you're from, but the beaches in Japan are generally not that great and very dirty, not only is the water often poluted but there is usually rubbish all over the beach.

It can seem like a very polite country at first. but you'll come to learn how polite the people really are to foreigners here, however you might not notice until you've been here a couple years.

As for creeps, Japan has more than it's fair share of those.
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KatiePowers



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nightsintodreams wrote:


Having said that, I'm not sure where you're from, but the beaches in Japan are generally not that great and very dirty, not only is the water often poluted but there is usually rubbish all over the beach.

It can seem like a very polite country at first. but you'll come to learn how polite the people really are to foreigners here, however you might not notice until you've been here a couple years.

As for creeps, Japan has more than it's fair share of those.


I've been to both Kamakura slightly off season, and Shirahama extremely off season. They were nice enough; I live in a tourist trap of a city myself so I'm all too aware of what the incoming throngs of people can leave behind without batting an eye. I'm sure there are more secluded and less visited beaches out there to be found.

As for creeps, sure, there are nutjobs everywhere. The difference was, I never once felt afraid walking alone at night, either in Tokyo or smaller towns. Here, I simply don't do that.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not talking about tourists leaving rubbish. Over half of the beaches I've visited in Japan are full of trash all year round. No one bothers to clean them and the rubbish just keeps washin up. In fact most nature spots in Japan are unusually dirty when compared to similar places in the west (OK, I'm generalising here, but I think most would agree).

That may be true. There's definitely less violent, looking for a fight types here, but I'd say there's as much or more chance of being sexually assaulted when compared to the west.

A lot of the girls here who maybe only stayed a year or two have a story of being groped, followed home etc and I know one who claimed to have been raped.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, I'm not trying to persuade you not to come to Japan, on the contrary I think you should definitely give it a shot.

I've met so many people who come to Japan thinking they know it all, then they leave within a year because they can't handle the reality.

Just saying, that one's impression of a country after a holiday can be very different to the reality of a place after you've been here years or even decades. I guess you'll find that out when you get here.

Good luck with the job search!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are lots of nice beaches/coastline on the back side of Japan--from way north of Akita, down thru Niigata, Toyama, Fukui, and on down to the end of Honshu. No, they're not all clean, but there's so much beach that any crud is either just normal ocean washup (organics), or stuff that could come from anywhere--the koreas, russia, japan's own rivers, or even china. It's certainly not people out littering on the beaches, there aren't enough of them.

It also depends on local currents. Some places remain pristine naturally, while others seem to collect everything (just as naturally).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Pacific side is pretty clean from what I have seen.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: New here, serious questions about Japan... Reply with quote

KatiePowers wrote:
Hello!

I'm new to this forum and had a few questions about teaching in Japan. While I have read over the older posts, I also understand things are always changing and different people may have different experiences. So, I've made up my mind that teaching ESL overseas is what I want to do with my life. It's not something I've taken lightly and I'm quite confident in this decision. Now I need to figure out how to do so.

I've searched extensively online and compiled a list of ~30 Eikaiwa chains and ALT dispatch companies of varying sizes and reputations. Of course, I'd love to get picked up by Aeon, ECC, Interac or Heart, but I'm also applying to smaller chains as well.

Oh, when I graduate next year I'll have a bachelor's degree, as well as a CELTA and some good volunteer experience, both with adults and children. I'll also have good work experience in a supervisory capacity along with decent references from my boss. I've also visited Japan 3 times on vacation, and should have JLPT N5, at least.

I have a few questions in regards to maximizing my chances of getting hired:


1. The obvious one; am I on the right track with my qualifications? I'm planning to apply to literally everything and take the best offer I can get.


2. Should I leave the CELTA off my resume for the larger schools? I understand that they tend to have a fairly rigid in-house teaching system, and I don't want to come across as some loose cannon that will try and resist learning it. Also, would this be seen as dishonesty if it was later revealed I had it?


3. I'm really interested in Gaba. Is it possible to work as an ALT during the day, and sign up for evening and weekend teaching with Gaba? I'm to understand that is when they need people the most, but this sounds like a too-good-to-be-true scenario.


4. Do schools or dispatch companies have prohibition against teaching private lessons outside of work (obviously not with their students, of course)?


5. Tangential to that, is it possible to offer free English lessons to people? I won't really know anyone in Japan when I get there and it seems a quick and fun way to make friends.


6. I've heard horror stories about the grammar tests for ECC and Aeon. Does anyone know of a book they can recommend to help me brush up on it? I mean, I've been writing essays for a few years now at the university level, but I feel like I'm still weak in it. Any book recommendations would be appreciated!


7. Haha, any further advice or such would be appreciated!



Actually, 8 (only semi-serious)... I read the "Charisma Man" comics... do all Western women turn out like that? I should hope not javascript:emoticon('Confused')


You don't want to work for Heart. The pay is low and they are shady. The same goes for GABA. Remember, public schools give you more vacation time, but private schools give you more pay.

When I came to Japan I had no real qualifications and the same goes for most people. You are a step ahead of most people.

I would also keep your CELTA on, it will look good.

Some schools do not want/let you have a part time job, but it's not like they can stop you.

Giving free lessons to people is a good way to get a lot of people to bother you and never being able to get out of a situation if you don't like it any more. No, don't do it. I would say an exception is people you became friends with first and have been for a while.

Remember, despite any threats you may get, the visa is yours, not the schools. Also, do not give anyone your passport!

Is there anywhere specific that you want to teach?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: New here, serious questions about Japan... Reply with quote

Rooster. wrote:


Is there anywhere specific that you want to teach?


That's something I wonder if I should have an opinion on...

If I say I'm open to going anywhere, does that come across as flexibility or apathy/ignorance?

On the flip side, if I give a specific location, does that show that I know their school locations and have done my research, or does that mean I'm likely to flake out if put anywhere else?

But to answer the question, although I'd accept and be happy anywhere, my dream locations would be Either Fujisawa or one of the Kyushu locations (for ECC), Western Japan or Shikoku (for Aeon), or just about anywhere in Saitama Prefecture (for either of them or as an ALT).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: New here, serious questions about Japan... Reply with quote

KatiePowers wrote:
Rooster. wrote:


Is there anywhere specific that you want to teach?


That's something I wonder if I should have an opinion on...

If I say I'm open to going anywhere, does that come across as flexibility or apathy/ignorance?

On the flip side, if I give a specific location, does that show that I know their school locations and have done my research, or does that mean I'm likely to flake out if put anywhere else?

But to answer the question, although I'd accept and be happy anywhere, my dream locations would be Either Fujisawa or one of the Kyushu locations (for ECC), Western Japan or Shikoku (for Aeon), or just about anywhere in Saitama Prefecture (for either of them or as an ALT).


Hi Katie,

I would say what you have said here. You can always say "I looked at your branch locations and I like _____ but I'd be happy anywhere really" or something like that. I think the prospective employers would appreciate that you'd at least looked at their website and also that you're showing some flexibility.
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