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ResearchID
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 Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:54 am Post subject: Jiangsu Provincial Department of Education Program |
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Teaching in China can be a career developing experience. Not only will teachers add �real� teaching to their resumes but they can hone classroom skills while enjoying a truly multi-cultural journey.
By Chinese law, foreign nationals wishing to teach in Chinese must have an undergraduate degree from an accredited authority plus a minimum of two (2) years fulltime teaching experience and ideally a teacher�s certificate, however, the Jiangsu Provincial Department of Foreign Affairs has agreed to waive the two years experience requirement for teachers who undertake this program.
Teachers intending to teach in Jiangsu who hold an undergraduate degree/diploma but who do not meet the requisite qualifications of having the minimum of two (2) years experience required to obtain a residency permit have the opportunity to participate in this three (3) week TESOL and orientation program. This program is a joint initiative of the Jiangsu Provincial Department of Education and the Jiangsu Provincial Department of Foreign Affairs.
Successful applicants will be eligible for:
� three (3) week TESOL and orientation course in Nanjing
� ten month or one year (you choose) fully paid teaching contract and placement
� Chinese residency permit that allows holders to work in China
� certificate accredited by the Jiangsu Education Services for International Exchange (JESIE), a unit of the Jiangsu Provincial Department of Education (JPDE)
Course Costs
JESIE will pay for:
� airport/bus/train station pick-up in Nanjing,
� accommodation and all meals during the three week course in Nanjing
� course text books and teaching resources
� tuition and certification
� residency/work permit after successfully completing the program
� allowance towards your international airfare at the end of the contract
Teachers only pay for:
� their Visitors visa into China
� medical check prior to coming to China
� flights and transportation to Nanjing
� miscellaneous personal expenses
Course Venue
Jiangsu College for International Education, 205 Shanghai Road, Nanjing, Jiangsu, 210024, CHINA.
Dates
Monday 05 August - Friday 23 August.
All participants to be in Nanjing no later than the Sunday 04 August.
Accommodation and Meals
Course: JESIE will provide twin share accommodation and all meals during the program 05-23 August. Should you wish to have your own room then you may do so at an extra cost (subject to availability).
Passports, nationality and Visas
Passport
Teachers must have a minimum of one year�s validity on their passport.
Nationality
Only native English-speaking citizens of the USA, the UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia and New Zealand will be considered.
Visitors Visa
All successful applicants will be provided with an official invitation from the Jiangsu Provincial Department of Education with which they will be able to approach their local Chinese consulate and apply for a Visitors visa.
Work Permit
Upon successful completion of the program the Jiangsu Provincial Department of Foreign Affairs will issue a residency/ work permit.
Flights and Transportation
To Nanjing
Each teacher is responsible for their own flights and travel to Nanjing. Once in Nanjing JESIE will arrange airport, bus or train station pick-ups. Our English-speaking staff will provide advice and support to ensure that your journey is trouble-free.
Within Nanjing
Accommodation is within walking distance of the host training college.
Placements
The benefit of this program is safety. This is a Chinese government initiative and all the participating schools are government elite provincial-level campuses ensuring that management systems are in place for teachers who have limited classroom experience. Placements are across all grades K-12 and teachers will be placed dependent on their skills and interests. Schools are positioned in regional centers around the middle and northern sectors of Jiangsu. Curriculum varies dependent on the grade being taught but in all cases text and assessments are provided.
Contracts
All contracts are made with the JESIE, a unit of the Jiangsu Provincial Department of Education. JESIE provides management, supervision, evaluation and mentoring services. Standard terms include:
� a monthly salary, paid on the 20th of every month. Salary levels commence at CNY 5,200 (after tax) for 20 periods of 40 minutes per week delivering early childhood oral classes. Salaries increase commensurate with the grade taught, hours required and course content.
� all campuses have purpose built self-contained foreign teacher apartments. These apartments are safe and out-fitted with the essentials for life in Jiangsu. Depending on the program the accommodation could be either a share two-bedroom apartment or a single apartment.
� CNY 7,000 for a ten month contract or CNY 9,000 for a one year contract is provided towards a return airfare, paid at the completion of the contract.
� holidays follow the Chinese national system with at least four (4) weeks during a ten month contract or eight ( weeks paid days off in twelve (12) month contract.
� comprehensive medical insurance coverage whilst in China. |
What do you folks think of this? I think I became a little concerned when I noticed it requires its teachers to come over on a visitor's visa to take their TESOL course. |
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thechangling
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| Don't touch it with a barge pole. No Z visa, don't go to China. The potential for abuse is far greater by the employer not to mention the illegality of it. |
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rogerwilco
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| A guy I work with now did a contract there. He didn't say many things positive about it. Run by an Australian guy called Fat Rob. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| thechangling wrote: |
| Don't touch it with a barge pole. No Z visa, don't go to China. The potential for abuse is far greater by the employer not to mention the illegality of it. |
yes, but if you already have the qualifications for a z-visa, what would be
the point of joining the program? it's designed specifically for the
underqualified. seems the local government wants to see some of the
new teachers getting some training before they start.
how can it be illegal? it's run by the government as "a joint initiative of the
Jiangsu Provincial Department of Education and the Jiangsu Provincial
Department of Foreign Affairs."
......unless it isn't really....just some dude named "fat rob" with some
cheap business cards.
....of course, it would make more sense to arrive on an F-visa. |
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ResearchID
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| kungfuman wrote: |
| A guy I work with now did a contract there. He didn't say many things positive about it. Run by an Australian guy called Fat Rob. |
It definitely is still run by the same gentleman. |
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ResearchID
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
1. how can it be illegal? it's run by the government as "a joint initiative of the
Jiangsu Provincial Department of Education and the Jiangsu Provincial
Department of Foreign Affairs."
2. ....of course, it would make more sense to arrive on an F-visa. |
1. This is why I was curious to get the forums opinion on the matter. It seems odd, at least from my position, for a government venture to be illegal. However, it also just felt odd, as it is very often encouraged to only come over with a Z-visa and contract in hand.
2. Sorry for the late response, but had to actually find out what a F-visa was. I agree that an F-visa sounds closer to what would be occurring before the issuing of a Z, but is it possible to switch from an F to Z visa? I checked out around the forums, but couldn't find any mention of someone doing this. If nothing else, it seems to be an interesting question! |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:23 am Post subject: |
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I think I was told it's run by an Australian organization that somehow uses the Jiangsu Gov't name but isn't really run by the Jiangsu Gov't.
But the connection MAY explain why they can convert a tourist visa to a resident permit without the teacher leaving to go to HK.
I was offered a position with them a few years ago and they also told me to come on a tourist visa - no problem to covert it |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| ResearchID wrote: |
| ......I agree that an F-visa sounds closer to what would be occurring before the issuing of a Z, but is it possible to switch from an F to Z visa? I checked out around the forums, but couldn't find any mention of someone doing this. If nothing else, it seems to be an interesting question! |
a good school with the right connections may be able to do this (depending
on the province).
bubba's school of jiaozi? probably not.
but if the school is affiliated with the government...........they can do
whatever they want. it's the provincial governments that interpret and
enforce the rules. or in this case, NOT enforce. |
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rogerwilco
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| kungfuman wrote: |
I think I was told it's run by an Australian organization that somehow uses the Jiangsu Gov't name but isn't really run by the Jiangsu Gov't.
But the connection MAY explain why they can convert a tourist visa to a resident permit without the teacher leaving to go to HK.
I was offered a position with them a few years ago and they also told me to come on a tourist visa - no problem to covert it |
A buddy of mine worked for them for a year on a tourist visa. He had to make visa runs to HK every three months. They kept making excuses and never did get him a Z visa. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ Maybe he gave the tribute to Fat Tony instead of Fat Rob? |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:14 am Post subject: |
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I spoke to a provincial government recruiter at the Beijing Job Fair once (not Jiangsu).
It seemed to me to be a well thought out strategy for a provincial government in a not-so-favoured location to act as an umbrella recruiter for a range of schools.
But as with so much in the Middle Kingdom, the great idea is quickly subverted by profit taking.
If they had kept to the basic pan as per the OP it probably would have been a success and provided an entry point for that group who pop up on Dave's and whom we all know are marginal prospects.
Maybe even non-Caucasians and Scandinavians with good English could have gotten a start with Jiangsu? |
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ResearchID
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| rogerwilco wrote: |
| kungfuman wrote: |
I think I was told it's run by an Australian organization that somehow uses the Jiangsu Gov't name but isn't really run by the Jiangsu Gov't.
But the connection MAY explain why they can convert a tourist visa to a resident permit without the teacher leaving to go to HK.
I was offered a position with them a few years ago and they also told me to come on a tourist visa - no problem to covert it |
A buddy of mine worked for them for a year on a tourist visa. He had to make visa runs to HK every three months. They kept making excuses and never did get him a Z visa. |
This may be telling, as I was told this was the FIRST year this program has been in place. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| ResearchID wrote: |
This may be telling, as I was told this was the FIRST year this program has been in place. |
I visited their HQ in Nanjing and met Fat Rob Back around 2008. ( I worked for one of their partner schools and they had some meeting I needed to attend.)
They offered me a position around 2012 to work for them directly. And said to come on a tourist visa. ( i was out of China then.) |
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bharrell
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Fat Rob left in 2011. I worked in one of the smaller cities in Jiangsu. It wasn't horrible. Basically JESIE started AP programs in high schools around Jiangsu, but some were in trouble because the IELTS scores didn't meet parents expectations. Some locations were being phased out when I left. There were really few academic standards and the job consisted of practice IELTS testing every month and a few AP classes. Lots of unmotivated, lazy students. But you could probably have a job there until you died if you stuck around. At my school, the senior teacher drank on the job and didn't really try to hide it. Nobody seemed to care, and it was common knowledge. The Chinese seem to love drunks. |
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