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yellowsoul
Joined: 16 Jun 2013 Posts: 8 Location: London
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject: QTS, CELTA... and then what? |
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Hello everyone!
So, this is me:
24, female
Spanish passport
Teaching degree (Specialization in Foreign Language Teaching) from a Spanish university
QTS by the GTCfE
Certified Teacher of Spanish as a Foreign Language.
Based in London (been here for two years)
Teaching experience as an Early Years Montessori Teacher (London)
I'm thinking about taking a CELTA course next September, since I have recently found out that I don't really enjoy working with children and I would like to teach adults/teenagers instead. My question is, if I complete the CELTA successfully, what countries would be more likely to hire someone with a profile like mine, i.e. non-native English speaker (although I have a very soft Spanish accent, since I started learning English at a very young age), with a Spanish passport.
I am not looking to find a job with a great salary to start my TEFL career - I am by no means a money-driven person. I would like to move to a place where I can enjoy my work as well as my free time - I mean making a living without having to work 50 hours a week.
I have been thinking about Mexico, but the fact that it is not the safest country does put me off a bit.
I would appreciate any help from people with more experience in this area.
Thanks! |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: QTS, CELTA... and then what? |
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yellowsoul wrote: |
I'm thinking about taking a CELTA course next September, since I have recently found out that I don't really enjoy working with children and I would like to teach adults/teenagers instead. |
Hmm... Strange reason. But why not teach Spanish to teens and adults? |
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yellowsoul
Joined: 16 Jun 2013 Posts: 8 Location: London
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:36 am Post subject: Re: QTS, CELTA... and then what? |
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nomad soul wrote: |
yellowsoul wrote: |
I'm thinking about taking a CELTA course next September, since I have recently found out that I don't really enjoy working with children and I would like to teach adults/teenagers instead. |
Hmm... Strange reason. But why not teach Spanish to teens and adults? |
Strange reason? And that is because...? I am not taking the CELTA just because I have decided that working with young children is not for me. I have always been passionate about the English language and I would love to share my knowledge with other people. Whatever my personal reasons may be, that has nothing to do with my question here. I would have to write the story of my life for people in this forum to understand why I have decided to teach English and, to be honest, I don't think that's relevant here.
I have thought about presenting myself as a teacher of English and Spanish to increase my chances, but obviously being a teacher of Spanish as a FL wouldn't do much for me in Latin America (except for maybe Brazil?). I don't really know which countries may have a higher demand of Spanish teachers though.
Thank you for your answer, I appreciate it. |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 13 Jun 2013 Posts: 133
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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China.
Actually, a Chinese lady on my course wants to study for an MA in teaching Spanish as a Foreign Language in a few years because there is an increasing demand for teachers of Spanish in China, however, as long as you are white, young and nice looking - you will work in China as an English teacher. |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Your Spanish passport is going to be more of a barrier than a slight Spanish accent.
But in any case, language school work in most countries involves teaching kids, especially as a non native speaker. You might find a school that specialises in business English, especially if you have some relevant experience, otherwise, an adult only schedule is unlikely in most countries. There is a good chance you will find yourself teaching English to kids for a fraction of the wage you would earn teaching kids in a proper international school.
If you are looking to avoid kids entirely, then you need to be thinking about a Masters degree and a move into university teaching. |
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yellowsoul
Joined: 16 Jun 2013 Posts: 8 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:54 am Post subject: |
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robbie_davies wrote: |
China.
Actually, a Chinese lady on my course wants to study for an MA in teaching Spanish as a Foreign Language in a few years because there is an increasing demand for teachers of Spanish in China, however, as long as you are white, young and nice looking - you will work in China as an English teacher. |
Thanks for your answer. That's very good news although I am not sure about how I'd be able to handle the culture shock. I have never been to Asia before and it would be a big change for me. I am also looking to move to a medium-sized city, since I am a bit tired of the inmensity of a city like London. What are the chances of finding a teaching job in a smaller town (meaning under 1 million population)? |
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yellowsoul
Joined: 16 Jun 2013 Posts: 8 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:05 am Post subject: |
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HLJHLJ wrote: |
Your Spanish passport is going to be more of a barrier than a slight Spanish accent.
But in any case, language school work in most countries involves teaching kids, especially as a non native speaker. You might find a school that specialises in business English, especially if you have some relevant experience, otherwise, an adult only schedule is unlikely in most countries. There is a good chance you will find yourself teaching English to kids for a fraction of the wage you would earn teaching kids in a proper international school.
If you are looking to avoid kids entirely, then you need to be thinking about a Masters degree and a move into university teaching. |
Do you mean my passport will be a problem because of the Visa issues or because of the fact that I am not a native speaker? I actually think that having a Spanish passport will make things easier if I want to move a Latin American country, but I don't know about Asia...?
Well, I am not not looking to avoid kids entirely but I am moving towards that. I want to complete my CELTA and get some experience before deciding whether I want to do a Masters degree, which is a much bigger commitment than a 4 week course. |
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HLJHLJ
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 1218 Location: Ecuador
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:02 am Post subject: |
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For the visa. An anglophone passport and a degree are prerequisites for a visa in a lot of countries.
I don't think having a Spanish passport will be much of a help in Latin America, although it may be less of a hindrance, but of course you largely rule out marketing yourself as an English and Spanish teacher if you focus on LatAm. |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Visa issues:
You can rule out a large part of Asia for legal work with the proper visas and permits.
China is an option but you won't have a "Z" visa as an English teacher (wrong degree and wrong passport).
You CAN get a "Z" visa as a Spanish teacher.
Rule out Korea, Japan, the Philippines, and Indonesia (wrong degree or wrong passport).
Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam are current options but you will need an English proficiency test (TOEIC, IELTS, etc) as a visa requirement in addition to your degree.
Central and South America are options but visa issues are again a factor (most of the time you won't get a proper visa and will be working on a tourist visa - illegal but common enough).
Europe is certainly an option (no visa issues) but you do have to contend with other employment issues.
Greater North America is not an option (visa issues).
As to the work...
OUTSIDE of Europe the BULK of EFL/ESL teaching is with children.
A very large part of EFL in Asia (75%+) is at the primary education level (K-6).
If you want to work with adults.... stay in Europe or get qualified for lecturing in the tertiary sector (related MA/M.Ed/PhD/Ed.D.
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yellowsoul
Joined: 16 Jun 2013 Posts: 8 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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What do you mean by wrong degree? What kind of degree are they looking for? |
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kpjf

Joined: 18 Jan 2012 Posts: 385
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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yellowsoul wrote: |
What do you mean by wrong degree? What kind of degree are they looking for? |
Is this not (partly) your answer:
tttompatz wrote: |
Visa issues:
You can rule out a large part of Asia for legal work with the proper visas and permits.
China is an option but you won't have a "Z" visa as an English teacher (wrong degree and wrong passport).
You CAN get a "Z" visa as a Spanish teacher. |
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Am I being arrogant in thinking a CELTA would be a waste of time AFTER already having a PGCE/Master's in TESOL? I just wonder why someone would want to do a CELTA if they already have a Master's in TESOL/QTS or am I missing something?
I am doing a Master's in TESOL in September and then will do a PGCE and simply think "what's the point in doing a CELTA?" if I get all of that.
In that case would it not be better at least to go for the DELTA?
Any opinions? |
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yellowsoul
Joined: 16 Jun 2013 Posts: 8 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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kpjf wrote: |
Am I being arrogant in thinking a CELTA would be a waste of time AFTER already having a PGCE/Master's in TESOL? I just wonder why someone would want to do a CELTA if they already have a Master's in TESOL/QTS or am I missing something?
I am doing a Master's in TESOL in September and then will do a PGCE and simply think "what's the point in doing a CELTA?" if I get all of that.
In that case would it not be better at least to go for the DELTA?
Any opinions? |
Hmmm... This is getting confusing. I do NOT have a masters degree. All I have is a teaching degree and QTS. I do not have any postgraduate qualifications. I do not have any TEFL experience either, so I couldn't apply to DELTA or any TESOL MA because experience is pretty much always a requirement before applying. It is true that CELTA is a level 5, and I would be doing that after having a degree, which is a level 6, but I think CELTA would really help me not only finding a job but improving my teaching skills, which is the main reason why I would take it. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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yellowsoul wrote: |
It is true that CELTA is a level 5, and I would be doing that after having a degree, which is a level 6, but I think CELTA would really help me not only finding a job but improving my teaching skills, which is the main reason why I would take it. |
CELTA is an entry-level English language teaching qualification; a bachelor's degree isn't required to enroll in the course.
Your issue is that your Spanish passport hinders you from getting a visa in some regions/countries. Additionally, depending on where you want to teach, a degree related to teaching English is expected/required. |
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yellowsoul
Joined: 16 Jun 2013 Posts: 8 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I think we are missing the point here. I am not asking whether I should take CELTA or not. What I am asking is what countries will be more likely to employ a person with a background like mine as an ESL teacher. (By the way, I do have a Teaching Degree related to English teaching in Primary Education, but I do not have experience teaching ESL - Please read my first post) |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 13 Jun 2013 Posts: 133
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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yellowsoul wrote: |
robbie_davies wrote: |
China.
Actually, a Chinese lady on my course wants to study for an MA in teaching Spanish as a Foreign Language in a few years because there is an increasing demand for teachers of Spanish in China, however, as long as you are white, young and nice looking - you will work in China as an English teacher. |
Thanks for your answer. That's very good news although I am not sure about how I'd be able to handle the culture shock. I have never been to Asia before and it would be a big change for me. I am also looking to move to a medium-sized city, since I am a bit tired of the inmensity of a city like London. What are the chances of finding a teaching job in a smaller town (meaning under 1 million population)? |
In regards 'culture shock' you are going to get that anywhere you go, I even got it at times in Australia and it would be a given that you would suffer from it on days if you went somewhere like Colombia, Argentina or Peru. The culture shock in South America won't be as big as what you would suffer in China but 'culture shock' is part and parcel of teaching and isn't should be a reason not to go somewhere. You find ways of coping with it the more you travel and live in different countries anyway.
'People' are part of the equation regards living in China, a 'small' city is 1 million people. You should try and give it a go because it would be a good experience, and as much as I hate to counter-point the God of these forums which if ttompatz - I have known Armenians and Finns and Italians with 'z' visas to teach English. |
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