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Countries where giving private lessons is allowed?

 
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cari83



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:44 am    Post subject: Countries where giving private lessons is allowed? Reply with quote

I'm aware that in some countries, such as Korea, teaching private lessons on the side is completely illegal and will land you in a lot of trouble. I would never consider doing that. But I am curious about which countries allow this, or do not punish you for it? I've heard that in Japan ESL teachers "own their own visa" or something like that, and are allowed to teach private lessons. I assume this means they can also tutor ESL online.

Does anyone know in which countries ESL teachers can give private lessons, in person and online, outside of their regular work?
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Sashadroogie



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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise

PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russia. The terms 'legal' or 'illegal' are quite slippery here. Many grey areas. In all seriousness, nobody seems to earn money fully within the law. And the law, such as it is, seems to be ever changing. I had a private student once who was on the staff assisting a member of the Duma, and even they were working for 'black' money, i.e. under the table. Teachers who are employed by large chain schools do not have all their earnings declared either.

Are private lessons fully legal or not? I do not know, is the short answer. But nobody seems to know, including my legal students and those involved with the taxman. In any case, schools do not seem too concerned, and neither do the authorities.


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rtm



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Countries where giving private lessons is allowed? Reply with quote

cari83 wrote:
I've heard that in Japan ESL teachers "own their own visa" or something like that, and are allowed to teach private lessons. I assume this means they can also tutor ESL online.

It's true that in Japan, you "own" your visa in the sense that once an employer sponsors your visa, you can quit your job and retain the visa until it expires, and your former employer can't take it away. So, you could do privates "legally" in the sense that you won't lose your visa and be deported because of it.

On the other hand, pretty much all full-time contracts have a clause that says you won't do any outside work. So, teaching privates would be in violation of your contract, and you could legally be fired for it.

I'm not sure if that fits your statement that teachers are "allowed to teach private lessons" or not.
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Mr. English



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In China you can work exclusively as a private tutor on an F (business) visa, or work on the side private tutoring while employed elsewhere on a Z (work) visa. Both are illegal, but both are commonly done and largely there are no problems. Moonlighting Z visa holders are in fact EXTREMELY common. I am one of the few who work exclusively private tutoring on an F. Note that new visa regulations came into effect yesterday (1 July 2013), and how these regulations will affect things is uncertain at the moment. My own guess is that they will have little effect, though M visas (of course they have to confuse things by using a new letter for business visas and using F for something else [a particular sort of Z visa]) might get more expensive and of shorter duration.
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. English wrote:
In China you can work exclusively as a private tutor on an F (business) visa, or work on the side private tutoring while employed elsewhere on a Z (work) visa. Both are illegal, but both are commonly done and largely there are no problems. Moonlighting Z visa holders are in fact EXTREMELY common. I am one of the few who work exclusively private tutoring on an F. Note that new visa regulations came into effect yesterday (1 July 2013), and how these regulations will affect things is uncertain at the moment. My own guess is that they will have little effect, though M visas (of course they have to confuse things by using a new letter for business visas and using F for something else [a particular sort of Z visa]) might get more expensive and of shorter duration.


Not sure that I agree with this, while it's true many do work illegally, I'm not sure you should be recommending it. To say there are 'no problems' is misleading, I have personally known someone to be deported for being on the wrong visa.

To have privates legally in China all you have to do is have your employer (visa sponsor) agree to it. I just asked mine, 'I intend to work privately as well, is that OK?'. It wasn't an issue. Also, have it written in the contract appendix or somewhere.
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cari83



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you guys for this info!

That's interesting about Russia. I'm not sure I'd want to get in trouble while in Russia. Smile But I had a Russian friend tell me that I could probably do private tutoring there and he said I wouldn't get in trouble for it.

I didn't know that about Japan, that most contracts say you can't do the tutoring. That sort of takes away the "extra" income incentive.

I guess China wouldn't be that difficult to do private tutoring if all you have to do is ask your boss.
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sarah28f



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am working for a learning center in Hong Kong and the contract says I cannot work anywhere else. I do private tutoring on the side in spite of it.

Nobody seems to care about the letter of the law. If you blatantly disregard the law you will be in trouble, but there is no mechanism in place for the job to find out you are working elsewhere. They cannot stop you from private tutoring unless they find you.

I could be fired, yes. I also wouldn't care since there is no shortage of work here.

I got offered three jobs and even showed up for my first day of wrok at one place without a single employer asking me to verify that I had a dependant visa or a degree.
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