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DosEquisX



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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:14 pm    Post subject: Working Outside of Madrid/Barcelona Reply with quote

All I seem to hear about from people is working in Madrid and Barcelona. However, I'm interested in the possibility of working outside of the big two cities in Spain.

From what I see, it appears that the salary change in the ESL market between cities in Spain isn't really that large if there is one at all. On the other hand, the cost of living between the cities is quite large according to some simple research. While I don't get into teaching to get rich (who does?), I'd like to live in a smaller city where my money can go further even if I have to sacrifice a first-world life (I'm teaching in China at the moment).

What cities would be a good fit if I wanted to teach in a smaller city?
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 1:56 am    Post subject: Re: Working Outside of Madrid/Barcelona Reply with quote

DosEquisX wrote:
What cities would be a good fit if I wanted to teach in a smaller city?


Hard to say without knowing your priorities - weather, language, location, etc. If I were in a position to pick and choose a small Spanish city, I'd take a closer look at La Coruna, San Sebastian, Valencia, Malaga and Granada, not necessarily in that order.
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DosEquisX



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too fond of rainy, cold weather. The inside of my nose would freeze up in Wuhan during the winter.

I'm not particularly demanding regarding language and expats. I mean if everybody could speak English, then I wouldn't be able to get a job there. I have a basic knowledge in Spanish. With some intensive classes, I won't have to be that picky.

Not sure what the crime rate is throughout Spain. Naturally, I would prefer avoiding the more dangerous cities in the country. I don't want to walk around worried that I'll get knifed.

Since I don't have a car, good public transport needs to be readily available.

I've lived in China for the last 3 years. As far as I know, Spain is a first-world country. So long as I don't live in some rural, middle of nowhere area, then there's not much issue there.
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DosEquisX wrote:
Not too fond of rainy, cold weather. The inside of my nose would freeze up in Wuhan during the winter.

I'm not particularly demanding regarding language and expats. I mean if everybody could speak English, then I wouldn't be able to get a job there. I have a basic knowledge in Spanish. With some intensive classes, I won't have to be that picky.

Not sure what the crime rate is throughout Spain. Naturally, I would prefer avoiding the more dangerous cities in the country. I don't want to walk around worried that I'll get knifed.

Since I don't have a car, good public transport needs to be readily available.

I've lived in China for the last 3 years. As far as I know, Spain is a first-world country. So long as I don't live in some rural, middle of nowhere area, then there's not much issue there.


Spain varies enormously from region to region, and like the UK it's "huge" - you could spend a lifetime getting to know a relatively small area well.

If you don't like rain that rules out 'green' Spain I guess - Galicia, Asturias and the Basque country. By languages I meant Spain's regional languages - Galician, Catalan and Basque being the main ones, because obviously if you want to prioritise using Spanish it would make sense to work elsewhere.

I doubt there's much chance of your getting knifed in Spain. Still plenty of backward areas though, I'm glad to say.
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DosEquisX



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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice. Valencia, Seville, and Malaga all seem like promising places. What is the market for adult education in those cities?
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try Zaragoza. Pretty small, pretty nice, not much expat competition and tons of jobs for native speakers. And very dry!
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DosEquisX



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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip imisssaitama

I was looking at Alicante as a possible destination for teaching. Anybody on the ground there?
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DosEquisX



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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some more detailed factors that I have considered:

1. Not Madrid or Barcelona. They are simply too big for me to handle.
2. Learning Spanish - I do not want to live in a region where I will be speaking a regional language. I want to learn and use Spanish. So I guess that would knock out Catalonia, Galicia, Valencian Community, and Basque Country.
3. Relaxed, laid-back pace - I have a hard time handling the hustle and bustle of large cities. I need to live in a slow-paced environment.
4. Limited Foreigners - I want to experience life in Spain rather than traveling through Spain. I don't want to get stuck in a large circle of expat friends. Not to offend foreigners, but my best friends have always been natives.
5. Not Rainy - I think that knocks out the northern part of Spain
6. Job Market - I want to get a job
7. Good Public Transport - I won't own a car in Spain when I first get there.
8. Affordable - I'd prefer to avoid costly cities
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DosEquisX wrote:
Here are some more detailed factors that I have considered:

2. Learning Spanish - I do not want to live in a region where I will be speaking a regional language. I want to learn and use Spanish. So I guess that would knock out Catalonia, Galicia, Valencian Community, and Basque Country.


I would disagree. I lived in Valencia for 3 years and you'll rarely hear Valencian spoken on the street in Valencia city. The rural areas are a different story. Other pluses of the place were that it was compact, with good public transport, cheap cost of living, excellent weather, beach, great local cuisine and good flight connections to UK and other parts of Europe.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonniboy wrote:
DosEquisX wrote:
Here are some more detailed factors that I have considered:

2. Learning Spanish - I do not want to live in a region where I will be speaking a regional language. I want to learn and use Spanish. So I guess that would knock out Catalonia, Galicia, Valencian Community, and Basque Country.


I would disagree. I lived in Valencia for 3 years and you'll rarely hear Valencian spoken on the street in Valencia city. The rural areas are a different story. Other pluses of the place were that it was compact, with good public transport, cheap cost of living, excellent weather, beach, great local cuisine and good flight connections to UK and other parts of Europe.


Isn't Valencia a heavy tourist destination?

Was looking at these two cities as well:

Malaga
Valladolid

I'd like to avoid cities with a lot of tourism. From what I read, Malaga is viewed as a giant airport by tourists who go through the city on their way to Costa del Sol. So tourism in the city itself is rather limited. I read an online guide for Zaragoza that recommended traveling to Madrid and Barcelona. Valladolid sounds pretty promising as well.

I heard that people in Andalucia have a very strong accent that may be hard to understand (that could knock out Malaga). There are probably better places to learn Spanish, right?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that people are making the mistake of saying "I want to go THERE!" when in fact it's probably better to be thinking "There's a JOB there!". You need to be flexible geographically, especially if you don't have a lot of experience.

You're cutting you chances of finding work if you say "I want to go to (say) Valladolid because their accent is easier to understand than in (say) Jerez".

If you're being offered a job in (say) Murcia, take it!
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DosEquisX



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, you'll only be offered the job if you're already in the city which is why selecting the right city is important.

There are jobs available in every major (and even not so major) city so long as you are willing to put your nose to the grindstone and keep interviewing. Since you can only interview in one city at a time, it would be smart to be selective with where you want to work.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DosEquisX wrote:
jonniboy wrote:
DosEquisX wrote:
Here are some more detailed factors that I have considered:

2. Learning Spanish - I do not want to live in a region where I will be speaking a regional language. I want to learn and use Spanish. So I guess that would knock out Catalonia, Galicia, Valencian Community, and Basque Country.


I would disagree. I lived in Valencia for 3 years and you'll rarely hear Valencian spoken on the street in Valencia city. The rural areas are a different story. Other pluses of the place were that it was compact, with good public transport, cheap cost of living, excellent weather, beach, great local cuisine and good flight connections to UK and other parts of Europe.


Isn't Valencia a heavy tourist destination?



No. The Valencia region is, places like Alicante and Benidorm in particular, but the city isn't.
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Isn't Valencia a heavy tourist destination?

No. The Valencia region is, places like Alicante and Benidorm in particular, but the city isn't.


This also applies to Malaga. Tourists arrive at Malaga airport then head for Torremolinos, Fuengirola and other Costa del Sol hotspots. Malaga is a 'real' working city with a generally overlooked but (or so I've heard) nice historic quarter and beach. I don't think there are heaps of TEFL jobs here, but it might be nice work if you can get it.
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DosEquisX



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of pay should I expect in a city such as Malaga or Valencia? I would imagine that the pay would be much lower than Madrid or Barcelona.
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