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TIE (The International Educator) Subscription--Worth it?

 
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robertokun



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:18 am    Post subject: TIE (The International Educator) Subscription--Worth it? Reply with quote

I'm a K-12 certified teacher and M.A. TESOL holder with several years experience teaching ESL/EFL in the States and abroad. I've been searching for resources to help me find a good position at a university or international school for my next job and came across TIE. Is anyone on here familiar with it? And if so, would you recommend it? I don't care about the $39 bucks for an e-subscription, but I don't want to waste my time either if it's not really that good of a resource. I'm slightly suspicious that some websites try to distinguish themselves these days as "subscribers only" with pay content to appear more prestigious or professional than they really are... Anyways, what do you think?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: TIE (The International Educator) Subscription--Worth it? Reply with quote

Save your money. Try Teachaway for international and vocational school jobs. For higher education, there's TESOL.org's career center, chronicle.com, and higheredjobs.com. If you're adventurous, look into the EL Fellow Program.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: TIE (The International Educator) Subscription--Worth it? Reply with quote

robertokun wrote:
I'm a K-12 certified teacher and M.A. TESOL holder with several years experience teaching ESL/EFL in the States and abroad. I've been searching for resources to help me find a good position at a university or international school for my next job and came across TIE. Is anyone on here familiar with it? And if so, would you recommend it? I don't care about the $39 bucks for an e-subscription, but I don't want to waste my time either if it's not really that good of a resource. I'm slightly suspicious that some websites try to distinguish themselves these days as "subscribers only" with pay content to appear more prestigious or professional than they really are... Anyways, what do you think?

People will probably reply here also, but you might want to do a search on the forums, as this topic has been discussed quite a bit. You might want to search for "tieonline". I've never used it myself (not a licensed k-12 teacher), but I recall others having positive opinions about it.

But, as nomad soul suggests, there are other (free) resources for university job ads, including the TESOL career center, AAAL job bank, Chronicle of Higher Ed, and Higher Ed Jobs, among others. Also, there are some that are country-specific (e.g., JREC-IN for Japan).
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Big Worm



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are certified, yes. Also joyjobs.com. Many (most) international schools don't advertise on free websites cuz they don't want to deal with thousands of unqualified yahoos "testing the waters, just in case". Paying a bit shows you are serious about your job search. Same goes with int'l teaching job fairs. Requiring applicants to put a little time money and effort weeds out a lot of people for employers. Also, if you are a yahoo, you probably won't even know about those sites.


It's really not that much money. Would you pay a hundred bucks to land your dream job? How much have you put in already in terms of degrees, etc.

Do your due diligence tho. There will undoubtedly be some scam paysites.
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robertokun



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Big Worm, yeah I hear you. Like I said, I don't care about the 39 bucks, it's nothing. It's more of not wanting to waste time with potential scam pay sites, like you said.

I like the suggestions all around. I have hit some of those (Chronicle, TESOL, etc...) already as they are the mainstays. Maybe I'll take the plunge and check a few of the paysites being mentioned.

My other issue, which I didn't mention, is that I'm focused on Colombia, which doesn't seem to bode well for the search. We'll see what I can do...

Thanks
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timothypfox



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul, isn't teachaway kind of like a placement agency? don't they pay less than applying directly to a school such as doing so through tieonline? Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

tieonline actually has a pretty good listing of jobs and is not very expensive. it's actually a good way around spending huge amounts of money going to recruiting fairs. Many tieonline jobs that I've looked at over the past year allow you to interview via skype, and sending all materials - video of you teaching etc... via email.

if you are still "iffy" about it and you are going the international school route, a good site to register for (for free) is international school review. that way you can protect your *ss and make sure you are going to work for a decent organization...
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Big Worm



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more thing: Just subscribe to one. The sites are free to schools, so they put their ads in several. If you join more than one, you will see the same ads.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

timothypfox wrote:
nomad soul, isn't teachaway kind of like a placement agency? don't they pay less than applying directly to a school such as doing so through tieonline? Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Teachaway is a placement agency but they don't charge applicants a fee. Their job network includes public schools, education ministries, international/private schools, businesses, adult learning centres, and private language institutes. Moreover, they're quite established in the Middle East---a region I assumed the OP might be interested in. Of note, they also recruit for the UAE's public school system where a licensed content teacher with 2 years of experience and a bachelors degree can earn between $3500-$5500/month tax free and receive bennies that include annual airline tix for up to 3 or 4 family members, health insurance, and free housing. Teachers placed by Teachaway, whether in a k-12 system, vocational school, or university in the Gulf, tend to be satisfied with their work/living situation. (I have two friends who were placed by them.)

I agree that applying directly to the school is ideal, but that doesn't always guarantee the school does its own recruiting. And although TIEonline provides a list of schools that members can access, frankly, a wiki search on international schools for X country will yield a list as well---and at no cost, except for the time in researching schools. For those who 1) don't have time; 2) aren't Internet or research savvy; and/or 3) feel overwhelmed by the job-hunt process, using the services of TIEonline, Teachaway, or whoever is appealing.

By the way, I found my next teaching situation upon stumbling across an article on chronicle.com about special educational projects between US universities and foreign councils of higher ed. After some research on the Net, I located a job ad related to one of the projects. I applied and subsequently, got hired. Interestingly, the ad was posted on one major TESOL job site but also on several general employment sites. Anyway, my point is that we shouldn't rely on one or two sources of job listings; otherwise, we limit ourselves to only those employers indicated.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: TIE (The International Educator) Subscription--Worth it? Reply with quote

robertokun wrote:
I'm a K-12 certified teacher and M.A. TESOL holder with several years experience teaching ESL/EFL in the States and abroad.

What's the breakdown of your teaching experience? In other words, how much of your experience was at the k-12 level versus the time spent teaching university/adults?
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robertokun



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mostly Uni/Adults and I prefer that audience, but the pay and benefits at internationals is hard to beat in Latin America. Thanks tpfox for the tip about ISR. I'll look into it.
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timothypfox



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a follow-up.

I had a quick look at the Teachaway website, and they do indeed have several overseas listings you can view for free. Tieonline, however, Tieonline seems to have SE Asian countries covered a little better than Teachaway in terms of the number of different countries listed such as Japan.

Also, don't forget to sign up (for free) on the International School Review website namely to find places "blacklisted" international schools, and one's that teachers have had good experiences with.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

robertokun wrote:
Mostly Uni/Adults and I prefer that audience, but the pay and benefits at internationals is hard to beat in Latin America.

Then definitely play down your adult teaching experience on both your cover letter and CV. Hopefully, your time teaching youngsters is your most recent experience.

Anyway, there are some excellent relevant resources available on the Net via a search using: international school jobs latin america.
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AbeCross



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:56 am    Post subject: Not good Reply with quote

I used to subscribe to the TIE. It was not worth the money. I think many of the jobs really did not exist.
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