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Cubism
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 Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:28 am Post subject: WITHHOLDING 10% OF PAY AS DEPOSIT? TAIZHOU VOCATIONAL |
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Generally this place seems OK, but there are 2 items in their contract:
1. 90 rmb/hr. guaranteed 16 hrs/week
2. They hold 10% of monthly earnings until contract's end as deposit so ft won't do a flit
I think the deposit thing is illegal, but could live with it if they're legit. Any ideas? Many thanks. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't even consider this offer. |
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Big Worm
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No. Dealbreaker. If they don't trust you they shouldn't hire you. Or, implies conditions are so poor that people don't want to stay. Very possible they will find things you "did" to deduct at the end (need to paint your room, your book is too creased). Some deposit is fine to cover possible damages to your housing or whatever, but that's not reasonable.
Also, do people still seriously work for less than 100 rmb an hour? Ugh. Inflation has been around 8% for the last few years. 6000 RMB? I hope you are teaching supermodels. |
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GeminiTiger
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Location: China, 2005--Present
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| Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I think I saw this contract in my email a few years ago as it sounds very familiar, both the name and details. It is a terrible offer. |
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beckyshaile
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| Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| kungfuman wrote: |
| Don't even consider this offer. |
Illegal? How can it be illegal if you sign a contract agreeing to such a condition? You can give up most of your rights that are supposedly legally required if you agree to do so. I'm sure most of you have contracts taht say you probably work 5 days a week and yet you work weekends when it comes to holidays, right?
Don't talk about legal or illegal to something you voluntarily choose to give up.
That being said, I would never agree to such a thing. |
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5h09un
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| Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| beckyshaile wrote: |
| kungfuman wrote: |
| Don't even consider this offer. |
Illegal? How can it be illegal if you sign a contract agreeing to such a condition? You can give up most of your rights that are supposedly legally required if you agree to do so. I'm sure most of you have contracts taht say you probably work 5 days a week and yet you work weekends when it comes to holidays, right?
Don't talk about legal or illegal to something you voluntarily choose to give up.
That being said, I would never agree to such a thing. |
it's probably illegal because chinese labor law prohibits them from crafting contracts that contain conditions like this. duh.  |
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NoBillyNO
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GeminiTiger
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http://www.academia.edu/165449/Chinas_Labor_Standards_Myths_and_Realities
Conclusion:
"It is true China had a huge problemof enforcement of these standards. Yet to have these standards in place is the first major step"
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This is the same problem everywhere and in every aspect of China. There is rules and laws and nobody cares.
Last week I was in a large restaurant with no-smoking signs on every wall and ash trays on every table. This is China at its best. |
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NoBillyNO
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| Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| Last week I was in a large restaurant with no-smoking signs on every wall and ash trays on every table. This is China at its best. |
Thoreau's Civil Disobedience? |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Have you been to Taizhou? |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| beckyshaile wrote: |
Don't talk about legal or illegal to something you voluntarily choose to give up.
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So regardless of the law if I want to trade my perfectly healthy kidney for an Ipad it's ok? Because I agree to do it? |
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bharrell
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| Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| This is just a setup in order to rip you off later. Don't do it, you'll be sorry. |
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kungfuman
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| Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| bharrell wrote: |
| This is just a setup in order to rip you off later. Don't do it, you'll be sorry. |
There needs not be an more discussion about this. What is written above sums it up.
10% of your salary will go into someone's bank account. When the time comes to retrieve it you will be given a list of reasons as to WHY they will not return it to you. Make up your own reason - it's on the list. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| beckyshaile wrote: |
| kungfuman wrote: |
| Don't even consider this offer. |
Illegal? How can it be illegal if you sign a contract agreeing to such a condition? You can give up most of your rights that are supposedly legally required if you agree to do so. I'm sure most of you have contracts taht say you probably work 5 days a week and yet you work weekends when it comes to holidays, right?
Don't talk about legal or illegal to something you voluntarily choose to give up.
That being said, I would never agree to such a thing. |
So can I hire a Filipino nanny with a contract that pays her nothing if she agrees? No days off, must give me a massage, eat only bread and water? |
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Bud Powell
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| Is this an animal and veterinary school by any chance? If it is, PM me. |
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