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Moving to Vietnam with $50k cash - any problems?
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Ramen



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:46 am    Post subject: Moving to Vietnam with $50k cash - any problems? Reply with quote

I miss Vietnam. I decided to move back with sufficient funds to live comfortably while living and teaching there.

I did have a bank account in Vietnam when I was teaching there in 2005, but I'm sure the account is closed now. As such, I'd have to fly into Saigon with $50k in cash. Would I run into any problem at the airport customs if I declare it?

I also intend to exchange everything into VND and stash it in several banks. Are gold shops still the best place to get the best exchange rate?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

P.S.: If any of you want to exchange your VND to my USD, PM me. I remember it was not easy when I was there before.
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LettersAthruZ



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:07 am    Post subject: Re: Moving to Vietnam with $50k cash - any problems? Reply with quote

Ramen wrote:
I did have a bank account in Vietnam when I was teaching there in 2005, but I'm sure the account is closed now. As such, I'd have to fly into Saigon with $50k in cash. Would I run into any problem at the airport customs if I declare it?

It can't hurt to simply check and see....you never know what records they may have on file at your old bank and if (there is still a small chance) they never closed it, give your Viet Nam bank's International SWIFT code to your US bank and transfer it THAT way.

Or, simply leave it in your bank in The States, come over, and either use your ATM card for cash withdraws in VND or have somebody Western Union you a bit of money at a time (like a few grand's worth of USD).

Bringing fiddy grand ca$h through Customs is just BEGGING for a hassle!

Ramen wrote:
I also intend to exchange everything into VND and stash it in several banks. Are gold shops still the best place to get the best exchange rate?

Given how the Dong has lost 25% or more of its value against the USD over the last five + years I've been here, are you SURE that this is a good idea??

Ramen wrote:
P.S.: If any of you want to exchange your VND to my USD, PM me. I remember it was not easy when I was there before.

PM me as to WHEN you're coming in - I have a friend who is moving home to California shortly, and she needs to get rid of excess VND that she is holding....

Good luck!
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BenE



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once declared a larger sum in Hanoi when coming in. They seemed surprised and I just had to fill out an extra form and show him the money. The whole process took about 5 minutes and the form is tiny.
I'd say as long as you declare it then you shouldn't have any problems. Vietnam doesn't really care about money coming in as it's a common thing for Viet Kieu families to bring money to their relatives. It's when you try and move everything out that things get complicated.
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Ramen



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@BenE - thanks for that information. It comforting to know that I won't have any problem at the airport.

@LettersAthruZ - yeah, it would be secured to make a transfer, but I really don't want to pay any transfer fee at my bank and Vietnam bank. And leaving the money in the US bank to rot @ 0% interest rate is not an option while Vietnam banks are paying any where from 7-10% for time deposit.

Thanks again.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plenty of warning signs in this thread.
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1st Sgt Welsh



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of customs problems or not, I would not be walking around with 50 grand in cash anywhere. Like others have suggested, as much as I hate paying banking fees, I'd put into a bank, or have made into a bankers cheque, or do an international transfer or whatever. If you do choose to risk it then good luck.
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Ramen



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1st Sgt Welsh wrote:
Regardless of customs problems or not, I would not be walking around with 50 grand in cash anywhere. Like others have suggested, as much as I hate paying banking fees, I'd put into a bank, or have made into a bankers cheque, or do an international transfer or whatever. If you do choose to risk it then good luck.


Bank check idea is great! Any idea how long it will take for the check to clear and any fee info? Do I still need to declare the bank check at the customs?
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1st Sgt Welsh



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ramen wrote:


Bank check idea is great! Any idea how long it will take for the check to clear and any fee info? Do I still need to declare the bank check at the customs?


Sorry, no idea. I'd just send an e-mail query to the banks here and see what they say. I'm with the ANZ and their service has been pretty good. My only gripe has been the bank charges they apply if you don't have much money in your account.

http://www.anz.com/common/forms/Enquiry/default.asp?intid=65
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TRH



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: Moving to Vietnam with $50k cash - any problems? Reply with quote

LettersAthruZ wrote:
Given how the Dong has lost 25% or more of its value against the USD over the last five + years I've been here, are you SURE that this is a good idea??
While it is of concern, I don't think it is as bad as you say. XE.com pegs the 10 year change at 3.8%/yr, 5 year at 5.39% but last year at 2.06%. These numbers are 1/8 to 1/8. The perception may be worse than the reality because there are periods of relative stability followed by big jumps such as Feb 11. Actually the inflation rate is the problem. Last year it was about 7% and is forecast for the same but has had spikes over 20% in the last few years. (I could not find a calculation device and didn't try to work out the monthly numbers I found.) If you add the recent exchange rate loss to the current inflation rate you are over 9% so if you lock VND up in one year CD's you are about breaking even.

In the US the "official" inflation rate is about 1.8% so if you have deposits at .5% you are loosing 1.3%. However if you keep your funds there and bring them as needed they could be worth 4.5% less per year than if you brought them here. That is +0.5%(US savings rate) +2.06% (exchange rate gain) -7% (VN inflation). Help me if my math is wrong. I am an English teacher. Very Happy

Info sources: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=VND&view=1Y
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/vietnam/inflation-cpi
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had that kind of money to invest I'd look for an offshore tax free account and then set up an account here and transfer small sums of money to supplement my earnings.

I wouldn't risk 50K USD in a Vietnam bank - ANZ/HSBC perhaps - but the local banks are on the verge of a meltdown all the time.

It's an unstable economy any way you cut it.

Keep larger assets OUT of the country if you can.
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spycatcher reincarnated



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see the relevance of inflation in this calculation.

I see the issue as being whether the interest received in VND, plus or minus the movement in the exchange rate between the VND and the USD, is greater than the interest that you would receive in usd.

I personally would think, on most occasions, it would be better to keep the money in VND.

Are you allowed to walk out of the States with 50,000 usd in cash?
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spycatcher reincarnated



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I had that kind of money to invest I'd look for an offshore tax free account and then set up an account here and transfer small sums of money to supplement my earnings.


Interest earned in Vietnam is tax free. Interest earned overseas should in theory be declared in Vietnam and I believe it is taxable.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting Problem

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Ramen



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spycatcher reincarnated wrote:
I don't see the relevance of inflation in this calculation.

I see the issue as being whether the interest received in VND, plus or minus the movement in the exchange rate between the VND and the USD, is greater than the interest that you would receive in usd.

I personally would think, on most occasions, it would be better to keep the money in VND.

Are you allowed to walk out of the States with 50,000 usd in cash?


Thanks again to all for helpful advice.

And yes, I agree with Spycatcher so I'm not too concerned about inflation in Vietnam as most things are still one of the cheapest in Asia. The way I look at it is the interest I'd be earning, around 100 million a year and tax free, would supplement nicely with my teaching income in Vietnam. The only thing I'd worry is VND exchange rate crashing. Do you see this happening within 2 or 3 years?
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spycatcher reincarnated



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last two forecasts I saw were from SCB and ???. Both were forecasting the VND to appreciate against the USD by a few percent over the next few years.

I remember seeing something similar a few years back, just before the VND crashed from 16,000 to ???????

I wouldn't be over concerned about any depreciation of the VND as I believe this will be more than compensated by the VND interest rates, as they have usually been in the past.
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