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nellychess
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 Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:50 am Post subject: Problems getting Uni email addresses |
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I have a list that someone gave me of all the sports universities in China. There were 20. I would love to work at one. I was only able to find contact emails of any kind for 6 of them.
Does anyone have ideas on how to get contact info on these schools?
Should I ask a recruiter to try to contact them for me?
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Bud Powell
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I do not endorse the following website, but it allows you to contact the school directly, and it will give you an idea of the range of salaries available in China:
abroadchina.org |
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beckyshaile
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| Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| Learn to speak Chinese and call the universities directly from "general" phone numbers found online or elsewhere. Websites are hardly maintained and e-mail addresses are, well, what they are, and you should not be depending on anything by depending on e-mail addresses. |
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LarssonCrew
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| Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:08 am Post subject: |
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'Learn to speak Chinese', that is a year at least of your time.
If you're earning your 5 jiao why not try to be productive? |
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NoBillyNO
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If you're earning your 5 jiao why not try to be productive? |
This post above was very productive. |
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nellychess
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A recruiter just contacted me . Isn't that something they could do for me? Do they have just a limited amount of schools they can work with, or can they get paid from any school?
Could they maybe contact all the sports uni's for me?
I will learn Chinese, but I don't have more than a few weeks or so before I need a job. I'm not a language superhero. |
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doogsville
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| Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| nellychess wrote: |
| A recruiter just contacted me . Isn't that something they could do for me? Do they have just a limited amount of schools they can work with, or can they get paid from any school? |
A recruiters job is to make the most money from selling you to an employer by making the minimum possible effort. They will have a bank of schools they deal with that they have already come to an agreement with about their price. they will have formed a relationship with someone at those schools, and relationships are very, very important when doing business in China. They could, in theory, contact sports universities from you list, but it would probably take them a long way out of their comfort zone. The pay-off for them would not likely make it worth while.
Nellychess, you've been posting here for a while. You've already missed out on the best jobs on offer for the Autumn semester, for whatever reasons, that's not important. The best advice now would be to find a job, get yourself over here and get some experience of teaching English and living in China. The first year is always the hardest, and not everyone decides to stay for year two. If you do decide to stay though, you're going to be in a much better position to pick and choose and find a better job. Being an English teacher in a sports university is not necessarily going to be a better job than teaching in a military college or a vocational school that happen to have tennis courts. As we've already discussed, unless you're Chinese is very good, you have very little chance of coaching tennis to any one other than native English speakers.
Find a decent job, one that is legit and won't put you off China for ever, and go for it. Once you're here, on the ground, then plan for the future. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| nellychess wrote: |
| ....but I don't have more than a few weeks or so before I need a job..... |
in that case, forget the 'sports universities.' just get yourself the standard
oral engrish gig at a typical college/university. that'll give you a year to
prepare to move on to your dream school. |
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roadwalker
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| Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| doogsville and choudofu are right. Just get the best uni job that is available now (including tech or other tertiary schools.) Unless you are an internationally recognized tennis coach, no sports uni is going to want you for teaching tennis (though they may want you for teaching tennis English). Any school that you go to will probably have tennis courts and if you aren't a horrible person, you may find that you have loads of students and Chinese teachers interested in what your sideline is, even if they aren't tennis enthusiasts otherwise. A social person could use that to make connections within and without the campus, leading perhaps to better things in the future. |
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Non Sequitur
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Given OP's recent 'Late uni jobs' thread, I agree that pursuing a rarified subset of the jobs (sports Unis) is not a good strategy 2 weeks out from start date.
Get a bog standard 5500, 20 hours, accom/airfare/work visa provided Oral English gig in a provincial u or vocational and count yourself 'fortunate'. |
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Bud Powell
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Given OP's recent 'Late uni jobs' thread, I agree that pursuing a rarified subset of the jobs (sports Unis) is not a good strategy 2 weeks out from start date.
Get a bog standard 5500, 20 hours, accom/airfare/work visa provided Oral English gig in a provincial u or vocational and count yourself 'fortunate'. |
My experience with vocational colleges says that they're really not for the newbie. Though working hours tend to be low (10-12 hours per week) the students' English abilities tend to be frustratingly low, requiring a lot of FT-provided supplemental material to help explain the REALLY bad text books.
I suggest that she take Non Sequitur's second recommendation: a university that actually has an English program. It's much easier to teach good speakers than bad speakers. Hours may range from 16-20+ hours, depending upon how many FTs the school can scare up. The schools tend to cut the hours by mid term, so it's not quite so bad by the end of the term. |
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nellychess
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| Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:09 am Post subject: |
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Great advice on not going for a specific kind of school. I sent out about 60 emails today. Probably a third came back as undeliverable. I think some of these websites were made years ago, and aren't even being used by the schools or something.
I spoke with a recruiter, and it was dodgy. I hope by the end of the week to have sent a few hundred emails out.
Wish me luck, and thanks.
Oh, and Im a he, not a she. Not that it matters. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Given OP's recent 'Late uni jobs' thread, I agree that pursuing a rarified subset of the jobs (sports Unis) is not a good strategy 2 weeks out from start date.
Get a bog standard 5500, 20 hours, accom/airfare/work visa provided Oral English gig in a provincial u or vocational and count yourself 'fortunate'. |
My experience with vocational colleges says that they're really not for the newbie. Though working hours tend to be low (10-12 hours per week) the students' English abilities tend to be frustratingly low, requiring a lot of FT-provided supplemental material to help explain the REALLY bad text books.
I suggest that she take Non Sequitur's second recommendation: a university that actually has an English program. It's much easier to teach good speakers than bad speakers. Hours may range from 16-20+ hours, depending upon how many FTs the school can scare up. The schools tend to cut the hours by mid term, so it's not quite so bad by the end of the term. |
My most enjoyable and motivated students were at a provincial hospitality/tourism-related vocational college.
Having weaned OP off to specialised sports U area, I think we shouldn't suggest anything in the general stream of tertiary is unsuitable. |
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Bud Powell
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My most enjoyable and motivated students were at a provincial hospitality/tourism-related vocational college.
Well, of course it'd be a good gig. If a student is headed for the hospitality/tourism industry, he'd need good English communication skills.
Excuse the generalization. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Yep Bud you're right.
They knew that good English meant a career, but so so English meant a job.
As the course (3-year Associate Degree) had the 2nd year off campus on a practical (aka poorly paid slave) the students were fully aware that by end of the freshman year their English had to be good.
Most of the 3rd years, when they came back had jobs lined up and boy the difference in poise, grooming etc.
Interestingly (and sooo Chinese) the school streamed the applicants for the 2nd year placements and the big resort outfits from Sanya etc, got first pick.
The streaming wasn't on English ability or management nous, but looks. |
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